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The finest source I have found...
NEARA, New England Antiquities Research Association has a book, Across Before Columbus which lists an amazing list of similarities... Let me try and encapsulate the list...(I may be mixing and matching sources frojm a few books listed last)
Pottery shards, tooth morphologies, purple ink creation, paper making, facial chranial characteristics (aquinine nose), birth markings, iconic symbolism, language similarities, calendar similarities, burial techniques, theologies, chinese artifacts found in California and New Jersey, Roman coins found in burial sites in Arkansas, Egyptian symbolism found in the Hopewell snake mounds...etc.
Plant evidence... "South American" corn in Scotland and India, but many, many ancient Greek references to the corn Goddesses, Demeter, Kore, Persephone.
Cocaine and tobacco found in the mummies of the Pharoahs.
The book list...
Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock, 1994
America BC
The Great White Conquerors
Columbus was Last
I can't prove anything, they can't prove anything, only explicit DNA studies will prove it, and they will.
Are you among the 6 billion people who believe the western hemisphere disappeared for 12,000 years, with no contact whatsoever?
I will not dispute you.
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corn is a native meso-american plant...
so you are not only suggesting that the original inhabitants of the americas were egyptian and greek but that they carried on a continuous trade across the atlantic ocean?
where is the egyptian and greek ocean navigation technology that would have been necessary to get across the atlantic? although a square sailed vessel could in fact find its way across the ocean its not likely that it would do so with the regularity and certainty needed to maintain trade b/w the continents...
also why did we not see widespread use of corn in europe until after the beginning of the 16th century? why would corn cultivation suddenly at that time become more advantageous than it was in high greek and egyptian times? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: Yes, Yes, and Yes |
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The current belief is that corn is a native american plant, a meso american plant, yet corn images are found in ancient India and pre-Columbian Scotlan in the Roslyn Temple.
The ancients had a reference to the "land of the golden apples", and the latest speculation is that the golden apples are in fact "small, yellowish tomatoes", which for the longes time were considered inedible.
Cedars of Lebanon. Remember those stories? It seems, or I have been told, that England, Holland and Lebanon were not ocean navigators and travellers by accident, but their tall oak trees and cedar trees gave them the advantage of building sturdy ships that could take the ocean pounding.
Ancient Egyptian ocean-worthy boats of 150 feet in length have been found buried in the Sahara, next to some tombs. Seti the Navigator, son of Rameses II is one of the more famous navigators of ancient times, with very little known about him.
The legneds are that the Phoenicians and probably the Cannanites traveled all around Africa and probably to India/china in ancient times.
Ancient Chinese boats of 200 feet plus were known to have been built, and ocean navigation took place before the time of Christ. The ancient Chinese myth is that they actually mapped the western hemisphere, calling it the "Hemlock Tree with the 100 miles waist", which would have been Panama.
The Yellow Emperor, a mythological Huang Di, is the one who possibly mapped the western hemisphere in 2700 BC, but there is much argument over this. Many ancient Chinese artifacts have been found throughout the Americas, on both coasts and the interior. And yes, the Chinese language is saturated with Hebrew and Egyptian names and expressions...
Examples... Taisha, priest-Chinese/Japanese. Tchaus, Divine Chief-Egyptian. Texas...amerindian, probably divine chief. Teacher, English.
The ancient Nysa, mysteriously positioned somewhere to the far remote West of Greece, never really located by more modern Greeks, is probably Te-NOCH-titlan of the Valley of Mexico. That is my guess.
Just this year, five Mexican fishermen allegedly went fishing off the West coast of Mexico in a very small motorboat, about 10 months ago, lost the power in their gasolene engine, and drifted 5500 miles, for 7 or 8 months, ending up in ??? Guam or something. They weren't even trying to go anywhere, yet they did, by mistake. Why are we hung up with persons intentionally trying to sail the ocean, in much more than a rowboat or raft, a-la Thor Heyerdahl and Kon Tiki/Ra.
I forgot to mention that there is a magazine, Ancient America, which is published ever two months or so, and details all the amazing Phoenician, Egyptian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Judaic artifacts found in the Americas, of which there seems to be thousands of artifacts, petroglyphs, clay tablets, pottery, coins, skeletal remains, weaponry, pyramids, gravesites, iconic symbolism, etc.
and on the name Anishinaabe... I don't think Davidd could have presented a more prolific Egyptian/Mediterranean phonetic syllable-set that best shows the possibility of the diffusion phenomena...
Ahh-nee-shin.........
like... Pha-nee-shin Phoenician
like ...Ve-nee-tian
like ...Dee-ooo-nee-shin Dionysos-Greek
I owe both of you lunch for the research connections that I believe I have found, based on this challenge, and I sincerely thank you.
Yes, the Anishinaabe are different from the Dakota, much like the Phoenicians (a black race of ancient times from Sidon and Tyre, Lebanon), were much different from the "Asiatic-Semitic" tribes of Hittites and Hyksos who revered the Dog star, the Khut...Coyo, aka coyote, aka Koota, aka Venus or Set, in my ideas...
Keep asking your wonderful questions!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: "Dakota"...new find... |
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Like most names we call native American, which we hope are closely associated with the explicit original names (and many time they are not), I have found an additional, fascinating and plausible explanation for "Dakota".
Of course, there is much valid, valid discussion whether Dakota is the corrrect name, or is it a descriptive title, or derisive slur, or a modernish descendant of a much earlier name...we can only guess...
But the Greeks and Cretans and Macedonians, and even modern day English are well familiar with the term Dakota, in near identical etymology I propose.....
The original Greekish name for Dakota might be...Daktuloi. The English modern day equivalent is "Dactylic rythym"...
Daktuloi
http://theoi.com/Georgikos/Kouretes.html
"The Kouretes were rustic gods of the mountains, inventors of metalworking, shepherding, hunting and beekeeping. They were also the first armed warriors, and gods of the orgiastic war dance performed in their honour by the youths of Krete and Euboia.
The five Daktyloi (Kouretes) were said to have had an equal number of sisters, the Hekaterides, who together represented the ten fingers of the hands - daktyloi being the Greek word for "fingers". The male and female Daktyloi were joined in marriage, "finger to finger" like a harmonious folding of the hands, and from this union were born the Satyroi, Oreiades and younger Kouretes.
These younger Kouretes (or Daktyloi), were the first men of Krete. A hundred sons, who married their sisters the Meliai-Oreaides (Ash-Tree Nymphs of the Mountains), from whose branches the first spears were crafted.
The Kouretes were closely identified with, if not the same as, several other groups of Daimones, including the Korybantes Euboioi, the Korybantes Samothrakioi, the Kabeiroi, as well as Hoplodamos and his Gigantes, and the Kourete-Titan Anytos. (EdZ note..."Anytos", similar to "Ah-nee-shin" of Davidd's entry)
One of their number, Pyrrhikhos, was sometimes identified with Seilenos, an old satyr companion of Dionysos....(also similar to "Ah-nee-shin" of Davidd's entry)
Another named Melisseus appears to be connected with Aristaios the discoverer of honey.
The Daktyloi were also occassionally identified with the Telkhines of Rhodes. Nonnus in his Dionysiaca calls two of the Telkhines Damnameneus and Skelmis, names given to the Daktyloi by Hesiod.
(Daktuloi), the Dactyls of mount Ida in Phrygia, fabulous beings to whom the discovery of iron and the art of working it by means of fire was ascribed. Their name Dactyls, that is, Fingers, is accounted for in various ways; by their number being five or ten, or by the fact of their serving Rhea just as the fingers serve the hand, or by the story of their having lived at the foot (en daktulois) of mount Ida. (Pollux, ii. 4; Strab. x. p. 473; Diod. v. 64.)
...and Diodorus states, on the authority of Cretan historians, that the Dactyls had been occupied in incantations and other magic pursuits; that thereby they excited great wonder in Samothrace, and that Orpheus was their disciple in these things.
Their connexion or identification with the Curetes even led to their being regarded as the same as the Roman Penates. (Arnob. iii. 40.) .....Apollonius Rhodius mentions the hero Titias and Cyllenus as the principal Dactyls, and a local tradition of Elis mentioned, besides Heracles, Paconius, Epimedes, Jasius, and Idas or Acesidas as Dactyls; but these seem to have been beings altogether different from the Idaean Dactyls, for to judge from their names, they must have been healing divinities.
(Paus. v. 7. ¡ì 4, 14. ¡ì 5, 8. ¡ì 1, vi. 21. ¡ì 5; Strab. viii. p. 355.) Their number is also stated to have been five, ten (five male and five female ones), fifty-two, or even one hundred. The tradition which assigns to them the Cretan Ida as their habitation, describes them as the earliest inhabitants of Crete, and as having gone thither with Mygdon (or Minos) (editor's note...Mandans?) from Phrygia, and as having discovered the iron in mount Berecynthus. (Diod. v. 64; Cic. de Nat. Deor. iii. 16.) ......
The original notion of the Dactyls was afterwards extended, and they are said to have ....introduced music from Phrygia into Greece, to have invented rhythm, especially the dactylic rhythm. (Plut. de Mus. 5 ; Diomedes, p. 474, ed. Putsch; Clem. Alex. Strom. i. p. 360.) They were in general looked upon as mysterious sorcerers, and are therefore also described as the inventors of the Ephesian incantation formulae; and persons when suddenly frightened used to pronounce the names of the Dactyls as words of magic power."
Again, this information proves nothing, but to me this offers major historical-origin possibilities for Dakota, Mandan, Penal Coyotero, Piegan, and Pecos tribes.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: Dakota, Lakota... |
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PS... a question I did not ask... and meant to...
Does anyone know the difference between the Dakota and Lakota tribes?
From my guesswork side...I am pointing towards "Lakota" being the sister tribes..."Hekaterides" of the Dakotas..."Dactyloi"...
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All members of the Sioux tribes.
The Dakota are the Santee Sioux. (Minnesota)
The Nakota are the Yanktonai or Yankton Sioux. (Dakota)
The Lakota are the Teton Sioux. (west Mississippi)
They were divided into various bands, some of which had interesting names for what you are researching (e.g. Hunkpapa, Miniconjous, Sihasapa, Itazipacola, Oohenupa.)
However it is difficult to hear the names Oglala or Blackfoot without imagining John Wayne waving a rifle about.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: Pagans, Piegans...from Thessaly? |
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Various thoughts...
One of the most demonized names among the Catholic Church is "Pagan", and what it represents, usually synonymous with "devil" and "demons" and witchcraft and magic, and of course, lumped in with "barbarians".
I have read where a tribe in ancient Greece was called...Piegans, and it may have been (as reported) this same group who migrated from the Thesaly area of Greece to the English isles. Their trademark was the sheer nakedness of their fighting forces, both men and women, with (I have seen portraits) complete body tattoos, much like the Polynesians. Early arrivals in the Virginia and Carolina areas remarked at the similarities of these body tattoos to the "barbarians that they left behind" in the English Isles. Oh, did I mention, that the same Amerindian tribes openly fornicated with each other ...quite a spectacle to the Christian missionaries!
So I ask...were the Piegans (or something similar) of Thesaly the same tribes as the Piegans of the North Dakota areas? I am not sure.
2nd Subject...
What is recorded fact, though, are the white-skinned, grey-eyed Mandans of the Dakota areas, who were theorized to have been descendants of the Madoc legends of King Arthur's court.
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~bowen/mandans.html
Madog Owain and the Mandan people.
"The Mandan indian tribe also know as the "White Indians" is conjectured to have mixed with and therefore were descendants of prince Madog (Madoc) Owain of Wales who may be assumed an ancestor of the Madogs of Llanfydnach Wales.Prince Madog ap Owain Gwynedd was a younger son of Owain Gwynedd, King of North Wales, and Queen Brenda, daughter of the Lord of Camo, it is likely that he was born at Dolwyddelan castle in the twelfth century.
Prince Madoc of Wales and his people may have discovered America in 1170 or some 322 years before Christopher Columbus would arrive . British historian Richard Deacon writes in his book Madoc and the Discovery of America ;
"Prince Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd son of a king of Wales, was born in 1150 the story goes. He sailed from Wales and landed near the present site of Mobile, Alabama. He returned home, then made another voyage to the continent. This time he went up the Alabama River and other streams, then disappeared in the wilds of what is now Tennessee. But a traveler's account of the 1800's tells of fair-skinned Indians in that area who spoke some Welsh words and put sentences together in the way Welsh people do."
George Catlin, a nineteenth-century painter who spent eight years living among various Indian tribes, was among those who were impressed by the Mandan's remarkable traits. Catlin wrote: "A stranger in the Mandan village is first struck with the different shades of complexion, and various colors of hair which he sees in a crowd about him, and is almost disposed to exclaim that these are not Indians." The artist also noted "a most pleasing symmetry and proportion of features, with hazel, gray and blue eyes."
3rd topic, from the amazing Wake Forest document mentioned earlier...
http://users.wfu.edu/cyclone/tifi.htm
Late Asian stamp
CREES ASSOCIATED with Algonquin Assiniboin (Turkish for "people who boil water with heated stones") of Manitoba and Minnesota who had spun off from Sioux--Xiong-nu Zeu (Tseu), "Slave" (of Mongolian Xiong-nu, Chinese for "Slaves") 1st millennium B.C. [Stewart 1991]; with Algonquin Blackfeet (also called Slaves) of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Montana; and with Algonquin Ojibways of Ontario, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, North Dakota, & Montana. The Assiniboin retained a legend of ocean-crossing, understanding Ireland their antecedent in an obviously hybrid heritage.
Algonquin's Celtic component could have derived from either or both Ireland and Central Asia.
The valorous painter George Catlin 1832 at their remaining two villages, removed 100 miles north following Sioux massacre to the mouth of the Knife River, recognized a dying Welsh language within an Indian language, the 40-60' domed wigwams Welsh peasant-houses (but also approximating domed Mongol houses), canoes Welsh coracles, Welsh blue beads, the very name Mandan Welsh "red dye" and Maho-Peneta (Great Spirit) Welsh Maur-Panaethir. Un-European Mandan lifestyle resembled Sioux. .......
OUR PREEMINENT EPIGRAPHER Barry Fell of New Zealand, Harvard, & San Diego extracted [1976,'80] Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Semitic, & Norse from Algonquin and assumed them fused with an unknown primeval tongue that Algonquins were already speaking."
#4. I don't have any conclusive proof of anything, but I found a curious piece of artwork from one of the three Blackfeet tribes...from the book "Atlas of the Indians of North America", by Gilbert Legay....
Piegans/Pikuni, Siksika, and Kianah
http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/73/blackfootportraitszi3.gif
The head-dress of the Piegan shows either a Greek Lyre, or Irish Harp...
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3562/irishharppaganhq0.gif
Proves nothing, but to me, this shows a musical instrument that the settlers had long forgotten about. The Greeks started with a three string Lyre, then advanced to a four-string Harp (and emigrated towards the British Isles with the Harp), then the harp was strung across a turtle shell to make the original guitar! and here is a "Piegan-Blackfoot" with a head-dress of the very ancient 4-string Harp!
John Wayne. Sure. Symbol of American cowboy attitudes, and failed domestic and foreign policies, but what a hero he was to me!
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Ed,
Welsh history is something I know a tad about. I am a documented descendant of Owain Gwynedd. In fact my line goes through three sons and a daughter of his through two wives and one unknown woman. But nowhere can I find a Madoc ap Owain Gwynedd in a stack of Welsh history books that fill a full shelf in my library including some rare books. I'll keep searching them. The Welsh documented their ancestry well. There was no Queen Brenda in any of my references. This sounds to me like an invented legend.
BTW, I've been to Dolwyddelan castle. You can find a picture of it in my Wales page web site. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: Madoc |
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Yahoo has 34,000 hits for "Madoc +history +Welsh".
Google has 43,000 hits for "Madoc +history +Welsh".
Yahoo has 108,000 hits for "Brenda +Queen +Wales"
http://madog.rio.edu/English/madoglegend.htm
"Madog Center for Welsh Studies ...The History of the Madog Legend
The Madog Center for Welsh Studies is named after Prince Madog ab Owain. Prince Madog was a younger son of Owain Gwynedd, King of North Wales, and Queen Brenda, daughter of the Lord of Camo. Little is known about Madog’s life; however, it is likely that he was born at Dolwyddelan castle in the twelfth century. Legend claims that he was hidden by his mother and raised by Pendaran, an old druid. When Queen Brenda lay dying, she told Owain about his son. Madog was sixteen years old at the time.
According to some accounts, King Owain had seventeen sons. Upon his death in 1169, his many sons began quarreling over his legacy. Rather than become involved in the ensuing civil war with his brothers, Prince Madog, a handsome and mild-mannered man, sailed from Wales in the Gwennan Gorn to seek his fortune. Upon his return to Gwynedd, he was able to convince a number of people that he had discovered a new land where people lived in peace. Many believed this new land was America.
The reality of his discovery has been studied, discounted and believed.
However, this legend convinced many Welsh that they had a legitimate claim to America. Plaques have been erected at the ancient port of Aber-Kerrik at Rhos-on-Sea in North Wales where Prince Madog was to have departed on his expedition, and at Mobile Bay, Alabama where many believed he first landed. The plaques spell his name Madoc, the modern Welsh spelling.
Therefore, the name “Madog Center” seems fitting for a center which promotes cultural, linguistic and other links between Wales and America."
Madog Center for Welsh Studies
University of Rio Grande
Rio Grande, OH 45674
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Note: My ancestry also goes back to the Welsh area... a Norman Prince called "deBarre", left Wales and entered Ireland around Wexford, which became Barry, which included Barrymore, Barry the Lesser, which included probably all of Ireland and Wales as relatives.
I think 8 generations of each of us generates 1.6 million last names in our DNA, or something spectacular, making us all cousins.
The library entries, the 34,000 internet entries for Madoc, the 108,000 entries for Queen Brenda strongly indicate, almost guarantee that Madoc and Brenda existed in history, and yes, we are most probably cousins. (sorry)
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Ed,
The internet dissiminates a lot of disinformation and you just added a few hits. Believe me when it comes to genealogy there is more incorrect information out there than correct including what you find at the Church of Latter Day Saints record. My own grandfather whom I knew well and have factual data has several hits of wrong information. Just because it is on the Internet does not make it correct. When you go back 800 years fact and fiction blend. In England the Lady Godiva legend has turned into fact yet there is no basis other than there was a Lady Godgifu of Mercia that was turned into a legend 300 years after her life by a monk. Robin Hood is another legend with no real factual basis. I suspect Madoc falls into the same category of convenience to make a story for some maybe once obscure reason. This one smacks of needing a connection for having Welsh studies centered in America.
I have several published Welsh genealogy books that go back hundreds of years and there is no mention of Madoc ap Owain Gwynedd.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: Names are Deceiving |
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Davidd...
First of all, yes, I do tend towards believing written histories which are filled with myths and "sugar-coated" accounts, and deliberate deceptions.
But aren't we getting hung up on the phonetics of a name, or several names? Why waste our time on the negative thought... can't possibly exist?
Abraham was also known as "Baga", i..e., bah-gah, I have read.
David was never known as David, but was Pa-shee-ba-ken-u-it, or something similar.
Jesus Christ was never "Christ" until the ??? 3rd Century AD or so, named by more-modern Greeks.
Moses's original name was not Moses, and historians have a hard time trying to fix exactly who he was, or in some cases, did he actually exist since no Egyptian accounts show the Exodus!? (PS...do the Egyptians mention the Exodus? I don't think so)
"Pharoahs" as the titles of the Kings of Egypt, do not exist until the 18th dynasty.
Among the many names of Egypt, Kemet is often mentioned in the ancient world, but that was not the only name.
Greece...was that the original name? No. Macedonia. Or Anatolia.
Wales? Original name, not Wales, I believe.
Ireland...of the 15 names for that island, Eire-land was only one of 15.
The Sun God Ra had 75 names and titles, one of which was Tanus!
Tutenkamun's original name? Tuten-Aten.
Parsippany. Persephone. Pheresipina. Same name, I have read. Same Greek Goddess of Corn.
Greek Atlas... how much is written about this famous character? Did he exist as a God or man or legend or propaganda, or all of the above?
Answer, I believe, about three paragraphs, is all I can find. But his statue exists, giving this character enormous historical significance to all of us, for that ancient peirod of Greek history.
Bill Clinton's birth name? Not Bill "Clinton", I believe. He adopted the name of the stepfather who raised him, so I have read.
You are correct, we are at the mercy of the books that have been written before us.
But 34000 entries on Madoc, and 103,000 entries on Brenda...I tend to believe there are some foundations of truth, or a truthful legend anyways to these naming conventions.
But how can anyoneI certainly know for sure? I certainly don't.
Thanks for your amazing entries.
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Ed,
Did you watch the Discovery Channel show last night about the first Americans? It was a two hour documentary about people from what is now France during the ice age 17,000 years ago seeking food by going after seals. It was theorized that hunting teams got caught on ice age ice flows that took them to America. They based the findings on similar stone arrows found in Virginia that matched those in France. They also can tie in American Indians having DNA from people in the French region. I'm not all that sure how they surmise the DNA since it was the French fur traders that mingled with tribes all over the USA and Canada from the earliest European explorations.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: DNA diffusions |
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True. And I don't know how they do it, but scientists can now differentiate DNA of the Pharoahs who ordered the pyramids to be built, from the workers in the camps who built them!
Portraits of Moctezoma, (Montezuma) of the Aztecs show the facial chranial look very similar to a profile portrait of Alexander the Great who was from the Macedonian area of Greece. I say they most probably were ancient, very close cousins.
Today I am told, there are proven to be at least 43 indigenous cultural tribes in the Valley of Mexico, and possibly 4 times that many in ancient times. I say a DNA study, if you possibly could isolate those tribes, would show Macedonian, Turkish-Mongolian, Cretan, Minnoan, Carthaginian, Hyksos, Hittite, Persian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Chinese, Judaic-Egyptian, Egyptian-Nubian, influences in the Valley of Mexico.
If you look on the faces of the beggars of Mexico City, whom a tour guide will announce as "indigenous tribal persons", you will see caucasian features like Dublin Ireland, or Athens Greece, or Chinese features like Indonesia, or Nubian Africaner features...there are a multitude of very distinct racial and facial-chranial differences among the tribes.
To call ALL the peoples of the 600 square miles of the Valley of Mexico, to call these people "Aztecs", is a historical and anthropological dis-service.
Or if you called all Peruvian indigenous tribes..."Incas"...this is an insulting disgrace for the 70+ racially different tribes that make up the mosaic of that area.
To describe all American Indians under one label is the ultimate ignorance.
There were white Indian tribes, with blonde hair and blue eyes...that is the explicit legend of Quetzal coatl.
There were black indian tribes with nappy hair.
There were Asian Indian tribes with Chinese features.
There was CONSTANT world trade among the continents for at least 5000 years, I believe, and everybody was here, that is my theory. But remarkably, the common denominator seems to be the Egyptian, Greek, Babylonian, Judaic naming conventions, which may have been virtually one and the same at one time.
Examples "God of knowledge", and "Bird of Paradise"...
Tehoti, Djeheuty, Thoth of Egypt
Teoti of Teoti-huacan in the Valley of Mexico (also, To-to-na-kas, Titans?)
Tahiti of Polynesia
Dao De Ching, Tao-ism of China (I Ching)
Deos of Romanized Latin
"Theocracy" of English... (thought)
This information is compiled from the 40-50 previous authors who have written on these subjects, including my own slight additions. I estimate it will take 100 years to decipher, or explicit DNA studies to confirm.
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