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justellus
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Hello Ed,
It is surprising how some people do not realize the history around Tyre involves many complexities, including the old location of the city. The city was located both on the continent and on the Island. It is not clear which was built first. And the location of the old city is difficult to pin-point also, because ancient records vary. The records most likely span over such a long period, with various civilizations occupying the region.
As noted here:
http://geocities.com/nallathambi_thevar/TamilUlagam.html
So far, the ruins found above ground on the present location of Tyre are Roman, Byzantine ruins, with the exception of a cemetery, of Phoenician origin.
| Quote: | | Today, finding artifacts from the original Phoenician Tyre is difficult. According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "The principal ruins of the city today are those of buildings erected by the Crusaders. There are some Greco-Roman remains, but any left by the Phoenicians lie underneath the present town. |
http://www.100prophecies.org/page8.htm
This idea that Phoenician ruins lay under the town seems to have sprung from one reference or two, yet none have been found. So it may be only a supposition. And with all those tall buildings being erected, would not some of the excavations for the foundations have breached into such ruins, if they existed? And the city is full of tall buildings, yet not one mention of a find of ancient Phoenician ruins!
Further, one side of the city is excavated and available for tourism. It is called the old city. But the ruins are Roman and Byzantine, not Phoenician! So where are all the Phoenician ruins they claim exist? As far as I can see, they have found only broken fragments of the city under-water, and none above ground of Phoenician origin, except a cemetery. And these are not built usually inside a city, but on the out-skirts or in land left over....
So is a greater part of the ancient island submerged? How large is the submerged portion? There seems to be different stories on this as well.
Some believe the Phoenician ruins lay beneath the present town. But again, none apparently have been found or excavated. So this is questionable. And the nature and extent of Phoenician ruins under the ocean in that location remains a mystery to me. Are there only debri and remains, pieces of buildings, or can one find complete under-water constructions in that location? Has anyone spotted actual foot-prints of buildings, under-water walls, markets, streets, as some have suggested? Or are the only remains fragments and bits and pieces of columns, broken remains of a destroyed city? This is not clear in the research I conducted.
And since the majority of the new city was built on the land fill erected by Alexander, it is not clear how much is left of the ancient island portion of the city.
Regarding ruins under the ocean, there are still those who do not understand the implications of this. Old Tyre on the mainland was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar and Tyre on the Island by Alexander, razed clean with all the stones of the vast walls and city thrown into the ocean. Imagine, a city with towers that reached the height of a 16 or 17 floor building being completely demolished, with all the stones thrown in the ocean - this would have been a huge task at that time, to demolish the city completely and start over again.
And further, many sites claim the location of the city is not in dispute, but this is mis-leading as well, since the city is now half-way between the continent and the island, and thus not positioned the same as the original city. (Wikipedia is one such source which states this mis-leading bit of information, another reason why one can't rely completely on Wiki, as it contains frequently mis-leading info, as my other research has demonstrated). And the foot-prints of the buildings, streets etc were completely re-located. Thus, the original city was not found again, for travelers that came from far away lands, they could no longer find the two original cities, but only the new constructions on the site which began during the time of Alexander, and a city which had been completely re-located and re-built. So the mystery of the original city location on the land remains, as well as the size of the island. From old maps, one can see a portion of the island which later sunk.
And it is interesting how I found no further reference to Yarmota and it's discovery, outside the link I sent you. Why would this be so? Should there not be by now more information online available regarding this discovery? If the coast maintains so many ancient under-water ruins, why are these not explored more, and why is more not heard of this? In Yarmota, can one find also only fragments, or are there actual foot-prints and partial remains of buildings? Where can one find info on this to get the answers?
And notice how also the majority of the coastline in many ancient sites is completely obscured out in Google. So one cannot even to there and find anything, since the data is missing.
I will be searching, however, for signs of Yarmota, or in other locations.
Did you get a chance to examining the phenomenon I had mentioned previously, and see the interesting effect and appearance of under-water roads and buildings in those locations I mentioned?
Also, if you have any sources of explorations of under-water ruins off the coast of Tyre, I would appreciate the references - including links, books, bibliography.
Also, the references I had posted mentioned many other possible locations that could be explored, either online or by diving, to determine the extent of the ruins in those locations. Did you get a chance to look at any of them?
As mentioned:
| Quote: | | Underwater Megalithic Ruins Sidon Tyre Yarmuta Byblos Lebanon Israel Akko Atlit.. |
The idea of under-water faces is interesting, yet it seems even more intriguing when one spots what appears to be under-water buildings and streets.
Since the waters around Tyre are very shallow, does it not make sense that any under-water ruins should be spotted?
If there are not there, then perhaps it is because someone does not want you to find them. Does this not seem strange as well?
Thus, the entire issue may not be as clear, and the information as "available" as some would think.
About finding ancient sites in the oceans floors, this may seem more difficult with these satellite exploration online images, since the greater depths tends to obscure more the sites, then in the continental shelf areas. Does it not seem logical one should see ancient ruins in the shallow waters around Lebanon and other shallow water sites? Where are they?
Many a mysteries hold these ancient sites.
JT
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: Security and preservation reasons |
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Number one, you are right on all counts, and let me research Tyre specifically, but it is all blurred out.
As an explanation to me, a person associated with the Colorado Historical Society told me that they ALSO, are quite aware of many entire cities, partially buried in the mountains all around them.
In their limited funding, they cannot so much as put a fence around such areas, to protect them. If they do get funding for a project, they go into an archaeological dig with toothbrushes and dental picks, while persons like myself go in with metal detectors, picks and shovels.
There are also commercial reasons, such as probable natural gas drilling sites, that are currently under testing, and they do not want antique scavengers preventing exploration.
For security reasons, and preservation reasons, and commercial reasons, shallow shelf, offshore areas, are deliberately obscured to prevent weekend warriors from destroying the sites. Deep water sites are also selectively obscured, and then there is the raw denial I have received from persons who claim that ocean-floor, stone-cut figures I have identified cannot possibly be real, due to their incredible depths.
In a very big way, they all tend to be right, but they indirectly prevent the further understanding of human development.
PS... I am now hearing on different Discovery/History Channel shows, the realization that the earth's crust is like a rubber mat, it can be crushed down with enormous weights on top, and then can spring back, and rise up when those weights (water, ice) are removed.
12,000 feet down on the ocean floor today may not have been that way 12,000 years ago.
Let me check more closely on the obscured, Tyre area.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: Tyre offshore |
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Justy...
On the Tyre stuff, I am surprised that the governments allow so much shoreline visibility before the obscuring area kicks in, about 7 miles off the coast. In those few miles, I agree, the coastal area is littered with ancient structures and face cliffs, and certainly temple convergence points, and roads, etc.
It also displayed something I found off the coast of California, where the waves naturally obscure the shallow architectural structures underneath.
However, since temples and “High” ways, roads, causeways and buildings and walls are above the ocean floor, they kick up the water into very vague but somewhat discernible outlines.
Therefore, about three miles out, at 3.04 miles, 288 degrees from Al Janoub’s Market, I see a circular city-scape structure area outlined by the wave actions.
Note, North of Tyre, between Sour and Chabriha, I found a market labeled Al Janoub’s Market, from which I make all my South-facing, offshore references, one of which is a figure of a King, calling him “Helmet head” for lack of a better term. No surprise, he is upside down, facing South, as are many other faces I found, and filled with major city-center, or temple-type rounded structures.
The area is saturated with an estimated minimum of 10 square miles of antiquity locations, long before the Phoenicians, I would have to believe.
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Ed,
I found the location you refer to, and indeed, both the original locations slightly SouthEast of yours and inwards/South from the small islets also present this effect, out to the area you high-lighted. There is one thing I noticed, however - these apparent under water markets, streets, buildings are all situated at the same angle, without exception, going all the way up the coast, including in the possible region of the city of Yarmota. I noticed that the stripes go off in the same angle, and some of the stripes even slightly go into the beach. This means to me that they are partially a result of the gif image production process. This may be un-intentional, or it may even be intentional, so as to obscure the real ruins. Have you searched yet for Yarmota? It is said to have been found half way between Tyre and Saida. I looked in that region some, but need to look some more. You might find it interesting to look there as well.
It seems with Google having a monopoly over satellite images on the web, it would be very easy to do as you say, particularly to prevent others from finding the archeological sites. If this is the case, humanity is being prevented from discovering it's greatest hidden secrets, which would thus be kept in the hands of a select few. Quite disconcerting and not exactly freedom of access to science, or the free unbiased ability to search for the truth of ancient ruins. In all fairness, this monopoly is doing more damage to discovery then they would propose under you model, of safe-guarding the earth's treasures.
Have you found any other online sites or software of earth geo images? You might want to look there and compare the images, as some of them may reveal areas which have been obscured in Google. One needs to act quick, before they are all obscured out, if this is the case. I have saved some map images of these locations, just for fun. So even if they obscure them out, we can keep the data and they still won't be able to hide it. But one needs to act quickly, before such data disappears forever. Is this not logical?
Also, in your images everything is upside down. If you go to the online explorer and view the images directly online outside of that earth program, you will be able to see the same sites downside up. Thus, your "King" will be facing up, and your market areas etc will be oriented 180 degrees the other direction. Try it.
It is time now we start looking further up the coast and in the other regions suggested of Sidon, Byblos, Israel, Akko, Atlit and other ancient regions such as these. Check to see if the angle of the lines, roads, buildings stays the same or changes. This may be indicative of how much is a result of the data collection process, how much is being intentionally "obscured" and how much is really there. Will it not?
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Angles and Sizes of Buildings in Our Newest Discovery The Same as Existing Land Based Buildings Directly Inland!
Ed, I just made a striking discovery - if you look at the city area you noted, (the land based convergence point you noted, where the streets meet and change directions) directly inland from the ocean site, you will see the buildings and streets oriented in the exact same angle as those which appear under the ocean! And those buildings, markets, streets under the ocean are exactly the same size and footprint size as real buildings? What is this beginning to say? That the ancient cities were oriented in the same angle approximately, perhaps to follow the coast line. Thus, the coast line was located much further out, and it does appear then this coincidence of the building angles, same scale etc indeed indicates something is under the ocean in those locations! So why don't we hear about marine under-water explorers in those regions? Could it be we have discovered something nobody noticed in those regions? Obviously, if they had noticed it, they would have removed it from the databases, if what you say is correct. So, we may be on to something! Save the data to your computer. I have created a few maps of the area, to nail it down for good. I hope you do the same, and also help search for the other cities mentioned, including Yarmota. Wouldn't this be something, if we have actually found under-water ruins? I think it would be interesting as well to create a per scale cad drawing of these areas, so that we in effect have a digital map. Then the shapes, scales of buildings, markets, streets can be demonstrated in fact to be accurate, and the pieces will then come together. What do you think?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject: Everything you are thinking is too little. |
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Justy... you are absolutely on the right track. If anything, your wildest dreams on what you think you found, are a fraction of a percent of all that is UN-found!
Would it make you feel any better if I told you that every square foot of your country is PRICELESS antiquity, and what can you do about it?
And it looks like 10 to 20 to 100 square miles of coastline in your country goes back ??? 4000, 6000, 12,000 years, and the astronomical societies did not build rectangular streets to get to city destinations, it was always the shortest distance, line of sight, to walk or to take a horse. And those ocean bottom streets led onto higher elevation areas, and they have survived INTACT to this day!!!
YOU GET IT, YOU ARE THE ONE, keemo sabee!
On the downside, in my State, Connecticut, they tell me... NO you can't go digging anywhere, and ANYTHING YOU FIND must be turned into the State.
And my cynicism says... and two weeks later, those same artifacts will be sold on ebay!
But, if you work WITH your government and universities, you may be able to excavate some of the more shallow locations, and provide tourist visits, or dives to view these ancient, ancient antiquities structures!
On the Yarmota issue, I am finding multiple pinpoints and fortress type structures, first on a "one mile out" ridgeline from Saida to Tyre, and then further out at the 3-7 mile areas, showing massive city type complexes.
In short, there are so many possibilities, I don't know where to start, it looks like one solid habitat.
For one explicit pinpoint fortress, try middle of Saida, 11.9 miles Southwest at 220 degrees.
The Truth is too simple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESvfPSQwX9U&feature=related
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Ed,
Thanks for posting the images you found in looking for Yarmota. I saw your message after my last post. I wasn't able to actually find the fortress like structures for some reason. Following your instructions going out from Saida to Tyre and then out into the ocean, wasn't able to spot the locations you are referring to. Do you have blow-up images you can post, similar to the one I produced?
Did you get a chance also to view the image I posted? If you find any info on archeological discoveries in this region, let me know - those which find actual remnants of standing buildings, walls, columns under the water. And for these new locations we are finding, if you come across any other references on these or marine expeditions studying these, let me know. Also, if you come across any more info on Yarmota, with updates to the finds there, that would be great.
If you have any images similar to the one I posted, on the regions you are finding, that would be great to see as well.
Here is the link for a map of Tyre
http://historic-cities.huji.ac.il/lebanon/tyre/maps/mansell_1862_tyre.html
It goes back to 1861. It shows the sounding depths for the area. Notice how it shows the cemetary ruins. plus the locations of the (possible locations) ancient walls. The ancient port is shown and also a few buildings that existed on the site at the time. Notice the amount of drift sand that had already accumulated by that time in the Alexander bridge, former a large area which in modern times was used to build modern Tyre. Notice it is only about a mile or so to the ancient coast from this remaining islet. However, ancient Tyre was said to be located 4 miles from the island, according to the ancient sources I quoted previously. So thus, the site and location of the ancient land based city is in question. The map also shows the ancient Roman raised aqueduct, used to transport water from Ras el Ain to the new city on the island at the time. The possible site of Palaetyrus is shown also, which is considered the possible location of one of the ancient towns/colonies/aggregations of people in the area in ancient times. Notice how close it is/was to the ancient springs. This is why I believe the ancient city was located in this viscinity. The sprngs at Ras el Ain (QRA) are exactly about 4 miles south of the new present city on the island, so it makes sense that the original city should be in the area. An interesting related story on the ancient constructions in this area, and the marvelous gardens and groves of Ba' albek, and the "matchless temples" of the Ba' albek Acropolis are mentioned here:
http://www.lifeintheholyland.com/baalbek.htm
| Quote: | | We reached the outskirts of Ba'albek at noon, and paused to survey the scene. At our feet were the quarries from which the great hewn stones of yonder temples were taken. In front were the green gardens and groves of Ba'albek, watered by the great fountain, Râs el 'Ain. One-third of a mile to the north, above the poplar and mulberry orchards, rose the stately walls and columns of the matchless temples of the Ba'albek Acropolis. The Great Stone, as it is called, lies in the quarry, hewn smooth on the top, the sides, and south-east end, the west end not yet being detached from the native rock . . . .On the under side it is cut away, remaining attached to the bed rock in the middle along its entire length. This is called by the Arabs the "Hajr el Hûbla," or stone of the pregnant woman, and is the wonder of architects, scholars, and practical men from all parts of the world. It is sixty-eight feet four inches in length, seventeen feet in width, and fourteen feet seven inches in height. It is computed to contain thirteen thousand cubic feet, and to weigh more than eleven hundred tons, or two million two hundred and seventy thousand pounds. (Source: Picturesque Palestine, vol. 2, pp. 215-216.) |
And how much remains of the ancient island is in question, as mentioned previously, since a portion or portions of the original island are sunken, according to these maps:
http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/tyre_333_bc.htm
On this map, you can see the Island of Hercules, which no longer exists. This map is from 333-332 BC. It assumes old Tyre was somewhere in the continental area directly across.
and
http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/tyre.htm
This map shows the ancient Harbor of Egypt and the same Island of Hercules (now submerged).
None of these maps show any under-water ruins in the locations we are finding, but perhaps at that time these maps were not made with this in mind.
So keep up the good work and sharing of information. With time, the amount of new discoveries begin to accumulate. Who knows what next we will come across?
JT
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A Great Mystery of Ancient Civilizations - The Ruins at Baalbek
One fascinating subject which I find entreaging are the ruins at Baalbek, an ancient site in the same region of ancient Sur/Tyre.
Below are a few links on this subject.
This first link is very good, also with information on ancient places such as Nazca Lines, (with many Google images on this subject, and compared to Area 51 unusual markings) Teotihuacan, Ollantaytambo, Sacsayhuaman, Atlantis***, Kailasa Temple, The Red Pyramid, Machu Picchu, Easter Island, Chichen Itza, and more:
(Starting with the mystery of the stones at Baalbek:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5b1.htm
The largest stones in the world are found at this site, and are possibly of Titan or giants origin. No known human technology was available at the time to move the blocks to their positions, placing these massive gigantic stones on each other with a precision found no where else, despite their massive scale! Even the Romans could not match this feat, and employed smaller stones to build over the smaller ruins. That are various theories that revolve around these ruins, including possible extra terrestrial origin, or that they were built by Solomon. The truth is nobody knows for sure. This is truly one of the great mysteries of ancient civilization:
And a few more links on Baalbek that I have been studying:
(These contains various photos of the ruins, including info on the massive stones).
http://www.lifeintheholyland.com/baalbek.htm
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/lebanonbaalbek.htm
http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=105&print=yes
http://
ancientmystery.
info/Baalbek.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_baalbek_1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/baalbek72/index.html
and the same link above, root directory:
http://ancientmystery.
info/
With topics such as the lost history of North America, Inca Mysteries and the Mayan Calendar, and more.
And on Ancient Baalbek, the site has to say;
| Quote: | Baalbek and Byblos,
two ancient cities in Lebanon, may contain clues to an unknown great civilization thousands of years before recorded history. |
***The same link above contains some very interesting info on Atlantis as well:
Evidence for Existence of Atlantis
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_10.htm
| Quote: | "This is probably the greatest discovery in World history", was stated by Maxine Asher, the co-director of a scientific expedition that found Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean, reported United Press International and major newspapers in the United States during the summer of 1973. UPI continued that "Maxine Asher said that scuba divers found data to prove the existence of the super-civilization which legend says sank beneath the sea thousands of years ago". "The divers had found evidence of roads and large columns, some with concentric spiral motifs, in the exact place described by the Greek philosopher Plato".
"The group of some 70 scientists, teachers and adventurers was endorsed by Pepperdine University in Los Angeles, California."
The document "History of the Golden Ages" reveals over 30 ruins including pyramids, domes, paved roads, rectangular buildings, columns, canals and artifacts that have been found on the ocean bottoms from the Bahamas to the nearby coasts of Europe and Africa, referencing the vast size of the lost continent.
Dozens of historians and famous writers wrote about the Atlantis they believed existed, how the Myans and Aztecs had told their conquerors that they came from Atlantis and Mu, about ancient tablets photographed in Peru showing those two lost continents, Atlantis and Lemuria, and ancient maps clearly showing Atlantis.
Just some of the ruins so far found include:
* A pyramid explored by Dr Ray Brown on the sea floor off the Bahamas in 1970. Brown was accompanied by 4 divers who also found roads, domes, rectangular buildings, unidentified metallic instruments, and a statue holding a "mysterious" crystal containing miniature pyramids. The metal devices and crystals were taken to Florida for analysis at a university there. What was discovered was that the crystal amplified energy that passed through it.
* Ruins of roads and buildings found off Binini Island in the 1960's by the photographed and published expeditions of Dr Mansan Valentine. Similar ruins were also photographed off Cay Sal in the Bahamas. Similar underwater ruins were found off Morocco and photographed 50 to 60 feet underwater.
* A huge 11 room pyramid found 10,000 feet under water in the mid Atlantic Ocean with a huge crystal top, as reported by Tony Benlk.
(Note: This one sounds barely believable).
* A 1977 report of a huge pyramid found off Cay Sal in the Bahamas, photographed by Ari Marshall's expedition, about 150 feet underwater. The pyramid was about 650 feet high. Mysteriously the surrounding water was lit by sparkling white water flowing out of the openings in the pyramid and surrounded by green water, instead of the black water everywhere else at that depth.
* A sunken city about 400 miles off Portugal found by Soviet expeditions led by Boris Asturua, with buildings made of extremely strong concrete and plastics. He said "the remains of streets suggests the use of monorails for transportation". He also brought up a statue.
* A marble acropolis underwater across five acres of fluted columns raised on pillars.
* Heinrich Schilemann, the man who found and excavated the famous ruins of Troy (which historians thought was only a legend), reportedly left a written account of his discovery of a bronze vase with a metal unknown to scientists who examined it, in the famous Priam Treasure. Inside it are glyphs in Phoenician stating that it was from King Chronos of Atlantis. Identical pottery was found in Tiajuanaco, Bolivia.
Many other examples of roads, buildings and columns are available, many of them made with materials not available in their areas.
Many ancient maps are also known to have Atlantis on them, including the ancient Greek ones studied by Christopher Columbus before he set sail for America.
Ancient writings from the Aztecs, Myans, Greeks, Egyptians, Spain, India, Tibet, and islands in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans all speak of ancient sunken continents and their connection to them.
Human footprints and shoe prints, a perfectly engineered cube, jewelry, a prehistoric animal with a hole in its skull that scientists admit only a bullet could make, a remnant of a screw, and other modern artifacts have been found in layered rock strata geologists admit formed on these objects MILLIONS of years ago. All of these discoveries were printed in public daily newspapers when they occurred, and left out of history books simply because historians could not explain them with THEIR theories. |
This information is almost incredible, and is extremely fascinating.
And, in addition, these being many more locations that can be explored further! Have you spotted any of these in the earth viewing program?
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As an additional note, another link, with more complete information on this under-water discovery of Atlantis and many other fascinating related subjects can be found here:
http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm
Presented are ancient writings on Atlantis. Much of the info contained could be attributed to legends as well, but the info is certainly fascinating.
Many of the ancient ruins found could also possible be re-found, using the same methods being employed previously.
The topics covered are:
•Discovery: The Lost Continent Of Atlantis •Ruins
•Map Evidence •Ancient Writings About Atlantis Geological Evidence
•The Destroyed Evidence
•Dawn Of Time
•Golden Age
•Cosmic Reflections
•Lost Continent Of Lumania •Lost In Time
•Empire Of The Sun •Lemurian Paradise
•Procyon, The Galactic Center
•Migrations In Time
•Crystal Cities Of Atlantis
•Atlantean Science
•The Empire At Its Height
•The End Of The Empire
•Star Wars
•Nuclear Bombs Of Ancients Ruins Discovered
•Lost In The Sands Of Time
•From Dust To Dust
•Starting Again
The article is more complete the the previous source, containing more details on the finds and the implication of very ancient lost civilizations which pre-date modern history by many thousands of years.
There are some sites, connected to New Age, with the same information:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/atlantis/history_of_the_golden_ages.htm
Many groups seek for this new "Golden Age" and believe that crystals hold the secrets to many mysteries.
Independent of the strange conclusions of these groups, many a mysteries remain concerning these ancient civilizations. These, some among the most fascinating of all.
One can only conclude that our entire modern history has been re-written to such an extent that we are taught only partial truths and modern text-books have been edited to such a degree as to omit key events from human history, so as to favor the views of those who founded modern societies. Thus, America itself had been discovered and re-discovered, yet the traces of the ancient civilizations that once explored an inhabited them have been lost in the passage of time. Yet their ruins remain, and the mysteries and incredible intelligence locked within the gates to these civilizations hold many a fascinating tales of ancient marvels. No wonder that even in our US states ancient pyramids can be found, even under-water. (Could, as suggested, a great portion of our land hold beneath it's surface evidence of such ancient civilizations, as was suggested in this discussion?) Much works needs to be done still to collect and catalog information on these, in a manner freely available and in a centralized database.
Let us continue with our searches, for who can contemplate what next great mystery we shall come across at the least expected juncture in space-time.
The vast wonders of our universe and it's past civilizations may be to large for one life to study, but if we even catch a glimpse of this past glory of man, we are on the road towards enlightening our minds and leading the path towards a new re-discovery of our past heritage. Let us seek, with an keen, open mind, to lay these new discoveries before us so that we may be challenged to see what we really can learn from our common past.
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Now, getting back to our main link:
http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm
Let us explore some of these reported ruins.
This takes us to the other topic in these forums posted today, with the following quote:
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References, Tehoti/Thoth, and Dao De Jing (Taoism)
THE ARCHAIC UNDERGROUND TRADITION By Author Unknown
http://www.geocities.com/collectumhermeticus/archaicunderground.htm
1) Ancient Egyptian Tradition
In the ancient city of Annu (later called On in the Bible and Heliopolis by the Greeks) there was a great sacred pillar, itself named Annu - possibly before the city. This, we believe, was the great pillar of Lower Egypt and its counterpart in Upper Egypt at the time of unification was in the city of Nekheb. Later the city of Thebes, known then as 'Waset', had the title 'Iwnu Shema', which meant 'the Southern Pillar'.
The twin pillars of the Two Lands became the Pillars of Hermes and the attributes of the ancient Egyptian moon god Thoth became absorbed into Hermes...It was said that this god [Thoth] possessed all secret knowledge on 36,535 scrolls that were hidden under the heavenly vault (the sky) which could only be found by the worthy, who would use such knowledge for the benefit of mankind.
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus. |
Some have been led to speculate that a crystal hiding the mysteries of thoth were found in the discovery previously mentioned - Ray Brown's discovery of the subterranean Crystal Pyramid.
It was found in a deep under-water trench in the Bahamas, separating the islands of Andros and the New Providence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_of_the_Ocean
Described in his under the ocean dive, is the find of a scroll type ended stone plate. There he found a crystal sphere 3 1/2 inches in diameter.
Could this crystal be a means to energize an underwater mechanism containing information from ancient scrolls of knowledge? Could it be a sort of hall of records?
The crystal sphere Dr. Brown retrieved from this system is by itself testimony to a most sophisticated technology, for as experts at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington noted, the technology for cutting quartz stone to the perfection exhibited in the crystal sphere was not accomplished by our civilization until after 1900.
Not surprising that stories tell us that the Atlanteans maintained a Tuai stone which was similar to this one mentioned above. It supposedly was part of a very advanced technology that perhaps was able to harness zero point energy in it's structure. And the location where it was kept sounds very similar to the story told by Ray Brown:
| Quote: | Edgar Cayce
One of the most detailed descriptions of the Atlantean use of a mysterious instrument called the Great Crystal was given by Edgar Cayce, who mentioned it many times. The crystal, he said was housed in a special building oval in shape, with a dome that could be rolled back, exposing the Crystal to the light of the sun, moon and stars at the most favorable time. The interior of the building was lined with non-conducting metal or stone, similar to asbestos or bakelite, a thermosetting plastic. |
http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalpyr.html
And more info on Edgar Cayce's discovery of the Atlantean Hall of Records can be found here:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_10.htm
| Quote: | Edgar Cayce predicted the discovery of an Atlantean "Hall of Records"
between the Sphinx and the Nile with a connecting entrance under
the right, front paw of the Sphinx. |
Edward case however is a psychic who advocates the factual Atlantis. So how much weight to put on his speculation? Not much.
However, it is interesting how a few theories are tied in - how the "fire-crystals" possibly went out of control, causing the sinking of ships in the Bermuda triangle area:
| Quote: | This theory was helped along in more recent years by the psychic Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) who became the U.S.'s most prominent advocate of a factual Atlantis. Widely known as "The Sleeping Prophet," Cayce claimed the ability to see the future and to communicate with long-dead spirits from the past. He identified hundreds of people...including himself ...as reincarnated Atlanteans.
Cayce said that Atlantis had been situated near the Bermuda island of Bimini. He believed that Atlanteans possessed remarkable technologies, including supremely powerful "fire-crystals" which they harnessed for energy. A disaster in which the fire-crystals went out of control was responsible for Atlantis's sinking, he said, in what sounds very much like a cautionary fable (what is that about history repeating itself ?) on the dangers of nuclear power. If still intermitently active beneath the ocean waves, damaged fire-crystals send out energy fields that interfere with passing ships and aircraft...which is how Cayce accounted for the Bermuda Triangle.
Cayce prophesied that "elements of Atlantis would rise in 1968 and 1969". The Bimini Wall or Road was discovered off the coast of Bimini in 1968. |
http://byerly.org/bt.htm
So is this the location, the pyramid found by Ray Brown site of ancient Lemura or of a possible Atlantis?
Notice how Ray Brown in fact is not the only to have spotted and found this pyramid:
| Quote: | Pyramid Found Under The Sea - SOURCE: Janet Ann Spencer extracts from "The Planetary Connections", British Edition, distributed by Roger Brown of "Fountain Adelaide", Issue No. 6, Winter 1994/5
Newsweek reports the discovery of a pyramid under the Bermuda Triangle. "And not, just any pyramid, sonar tracing has mapped the pyramid's outline, and shows it rising to a height of some 780 feet from the otherwise flat ocean floor 1,200 feet below the surface of the Atlantic.
The discovery was made and then confirmed by Captain Don Henry, who discovered the puzzling phenomenon while making sonar tracings of the sea floor in an area of the Atlantic between South Bimini Island and the north end of the Cay Sal Bank. He was staggered when he realized that this undersea pyramid was some three hundred feet higher than the Cheops Pyramid, with a base of a thousand feet square.
Dr. J. Manson Valentine, anthropologist and zoologist at the Miami Museum of Science, is convinced and points out that the area where the pyramid is located was once dry sand. The area has long been suggested as the site of Atlantis. |
http://www.ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/undersea-base.html
Further, it is very interesting how now the US Navy maintains an under-water "Area 51" secret Naval base in this region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUTEC_-_Atlantic_Undersea_Test_and_Evaluation_Center
| Quote: | | The sophisticated facility includes three test ranges: the Weapons Range, the Acoustic Range, and the FORACS Range, all located in the "Tongue of the ocean" (TOTO), a deep-ocean basin approximately 100 nautical miles (190 km) long by 15 nautical miles (28 km) wide that varies in depth down to 6,000 feet (1,800 m). The main AUTEC support base and downrange tracking stations are on Andros Island in the Bahamas, just west of Nassau and about 180 nautical miles (333 km) southeast of West Palm Beach, Florida. |
Any approach by a visitor is welcomed with force and the person is immediately thrown out of the area.
Duck Hunters stumble upon Andros Island secret base and are questioned:
| Quote: | I learned from more than one source that the Andros base has an ultra-top secret caliber of security. Here is an illustration. In 1997, a group of duck-hunters - who, admittedly, had walked right by a PROHIBITED AREA sign less than a mile from the base - suddenly found themselves confronting an unusually thick wall of foliage. At that very moment, they were knocked off their feet and their faces thrust into the ground.
The hapless duck-hunters quickly discovered that the foliage contained sailors in heavy camouflage, and that other sailors, leaping out of the foliage behind them, had hurled them to the ground. Taken to a nearby tent, they were grilled by a colonel for hours, until they were certain they would be thrown into prison. Then, abruptly, the officer released them, declaring, "I believe your story." |
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_bermuda_5a.htm
So what does this tell us? That the Navy most likely has appropriated the under-water site and is possibly studying the technology of the under water pyramid. So have they seized or plan to perhaps seize the sphere from Ray Brown? Who knows... In any case, here is the link:
http://www.ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/undersea-base.html
And then, the implications of ancient Lemura and Atlantis seem to maintain some vague connections as well to this area:
http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Andros.html
Apparently the Mansola family name came as well from Andros, and we have two cities = Lamura in France and Lamyra in Greece, connected in some way to Andros Island. Does this not sound similar also to ancient Lemura, the rival of Atlantis? Thus, the find of a sub-merged high technology pyramid under the area would be no surprise.
According to this source:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_bermuda_5a.htm
| Quote: | | Many have long believed that Bimini is a remnant of Atlantis. The idea was first mooted by trance-medium Edgar Cayce, who claimed that many of the people to whom he gave readings had lived past lives on Atlantis. Using the latest technology, scientists from the British Government's Building Research Establishment have even discovered tiny amounts of coal and gold in apparently man-made stone found on the seabed at Bimini. |
This same page notes the opinion of some experts - physicists and the like that admit the possibility that in the region of the Bermuda Triangle may exist also types of gates to hyperspace. This found on this same page.
| Quote: | | Grazyna Fosar, physicist, Berlin, Germany, in a radio discussion together with myself, in 1997: "From the physicist's point of view, gates to hyperspace can be the only reasonable explanation for these mysterious deviation fields." |
and the description he has for us of the AUTEC base:
| Quote: | | I decided, as a historian, to try to get to the bottom of these extraordinary speculations. The Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center (AUTEC) possesses unique resources, including an underwater range for testing and research on acoustic equipment. It is located 177 miles southeast of West Palm Beach, Florida, at Andros Island and the Tongue of the Ocean, in Bahamas. The Andros Island AUTEC test facility-access to which must be obtained beforehand - covers only one square mile on land, but actually comprises 1,670 square miles of the surrounding Caribbean. This ocean area is a steep-sided deep-water embayment 100 miles long and 20 miles wide, with depths varying from 700 fathoms at the "rim" to 1,100 fathoms (more than a mile) at the northern end. By any reckoning, this is a huge amount of underwater space. |
Thus, the area of operation is huge and they can easily control thus the under-water findings of this pyramid, and possibly an Atlantean or Lemura site. What vast under-water advanced technology thus exists in the region?
Bahamas archipelago sub-merged Atlantis?
Here is what the same page has to say on this:
| Quote: | | I learned something intriguing: that if you were to take the present-day Bahamas archipelago and raise the entire land-mass by 300 feet - or, to put it another way, lower the water level surrounding Bahamas by 300 feet (its level during the last Ice Age) - you would end up with a country that closely matched, in shape and size, the ancient Atlantis of Plato: The philosopher wrote in the Critias that the continent was larger than Egypt (as it was then known); that the center of the island, not far from the sea, was formed by a plain surrounded by shallow mountains to a distance of six miles; and that these mountains themselves were located in a large plain, surrounded by high mountains to a distance of 200 miles. |
and there are various stories which revolve around this secret base, such as this one:
http://labyrinth13.com/OtherWorks_BermudaTriangle.htm
or this one:
| Quote: | | A Viennese businessman told me that, once, when he was yachting off the coast of Andros, he glimpsed, two miles away (it was a very clear day), in waters over a mile-and-a-half deep, a motionless object he thought was a whale. Coming to within almost half-a-mile of the object-which was now gleaming oddly-the yachter observed that it was some kind of man-made craft of - forum abuse - design. Suddenly, the craft took off in a southerly direction at what my informant described as a "lunatic speed." It sped along the surface of the water. Then, abruptly, it disappeared beneath the waves, not to be seen again. |
Found here:
http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/undersea-base.html
And, a few more links such as this one touch on this subject:
http://parabook.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/ray-browns-crystal-and-the-bermuda-triangle/
All this certainly falls within the realm of speculation, but apparently we have some mysteries mixed in that indicate something is going on in that region in fact.
Now, some other interesting links -
This one, on the under-water city in Japan, with photos.
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan.html
One can indeed see those ruins are not artificial, but rather man-made!
Lost city found off Indian coast, reported in 2002:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1923794.stm
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In all this presentation, a few questions begin to arise:
What can we learn from ancient civilizations? What technology did they maintain that is unknown today?
Cannot this technology be employed for the betterment of humanity today? If it can, why is this not taking place?
In this search for answers, we are brought back to the last region of concern - Andros Island.
Andros Island and Ancient Under-Water Technology
A related topic, which briefly touched on the subject of Andros Island as well:
http://www.designcommunity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19088&sid=380b5707cb268c6efc39a8fbd1fa7796
(***referred to below as well).
And this alternate topic touched briefly upon the technology possibly related to Atlantis, including:
•Hyper-dimensional physics.
•Vortex energy fields.
•Planetary vortexes.
•Torsion physics
•Zero point energy explained in the work of Dr. N.A. Kozryrev
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=36
(Note: Another interesting related site:)
Space-time Torus Typology - The Resonance Project
http://www.theresonanceproject.org/research.html
Ancient and Modern Pyramids
The thread above*** presents the various ideas related to constructing pyramids with modern technology. The more we learn from these ancient pyramids, and the technology employed, the more these projects can be perfected as well. The universal geometric relationships of the elements will be important not only in the architecture and design of these structures, but on their internal energy generation systems as well.
Further Study Needed on the Locations of Ancient Pyramids
And, further study is needed on the position and relationship of the ancient pyramids to the key universal grid energy points, as suggested by many modern authors. Apparently, the pyramids of these ancient civilizations were positioned with key identifying data related to cardinal or earth specific points, which were inter-connected and related to each other. And, the architecture of each pyramid itself contains encoded in it mathematical formulas that express the same relationship and encode not only it's position, but it's relationships to the earth and constellations, and universal constants. The encoded messages are all telling us to prepare for the future of this planet. A future in which we must avoid the pitfalls of the past and seek for a new freedom of spirit, soul and mind. A freedom from material wealth and greed.
The Venus Project and Ancient Atlantean Ideas
The Venus Project, not only designed with many Atlantean principles in mind, does a great job also of universalizing the concept that advanced societies have attained to - the liberation from money and material possessions :
http://www.designcommunity.com/forums/topic-24432.html
The Ideal Model for a Future Society
This is the future of an advanced society - the liberation of the soul and mind which shall allow the pursuit of individual dreams and self-expression. This is the means of liberating the human mind from those who would enslave it with their monetary, materialistic systems. Once humanity is freed from the desire for power, from greed, from materialism, it will be also free to pursue a higher level of technological achievement and an advanced social organization around the ideas of free access to the basic necessities of survival on planet earth. Once the basic necessities becomes abundant in production and freely accessible to all, we will have transcended the need for money and embarked on concepts unknown in this era and not quite achieved by ancient Atlantis - the freedom from material possessions and individual claims of ownership, as proposed by this model also, in the Venus Project. This being a universal model, adopted by the most advanced of civilizations, who have realized that their survival, and the survival of future generations depends on the model of working for the common good of universal availability of natural resources and the production of basic goods, as well as those of advanced technology. Once these are freely accessible, and individual claims of monopoly and power are broken down, humanity will then be free to pursue a more sophisticated structure of society and production. With this will come more advanced means of production, standardization and automatic production which shall liberate man to pursue the greater goal of love, harmony, equality and peace.
All these concepts being universal, they were expressed at different times in the past in different civilizations, as seen. However, either due to cataclysms or individual failure of these societies, the model of perfection was never attainable as a lasting civilization. Perhaps if we embark in this new direction and stimulate others to do so, we can discover the wonderful value of re-evaluating our current model of society and together imagine a better future. One that is based on the best achievements of the past and which seeks to share these for the common benefit of future civilizations.
Many a lessons we can learn from these ancient civilizations, and we have only touched upon an infinitely small portion of the wealth of information that is passed on to us from these ancient societies. How much we can gather, decipher and put together into functional models will determine the success of future generations as well.
Atlantis as a Model of Perfection
From all this, we begin to see that Ancient Atlantis may have existed in one location, but as a model of perfection, it can be found is some form or another in multiple earth positions in place and time. Some believe that ancient Atlantis must be re-born. This has led to dangerous movements, including the German Nazi* attempt to re-embody ancient Atlantis, as well as modern bankers attempts to create a new world of prosperity, except that as dictated by only a few select to disfruit of this "prosperity", while the rest of the world is subjected to a fateful end of wars, collapse and impoverishment. (while the select few who are to establish this new Atlantis are enriched). They consider themselves to be carrying the ancient sceptor or the flame of ancient Atlantis and dream to fulfill the ancient "prophecies" of it's eventual "re-birth". Thus, caution is needed in the modern world, as the ideal of Atlantis carries with it also many dangerous ideas related to vast amounts of power.
(*Note how swastica has gone from being oriented to the left, to now the right, by the manipulation of history. The left oriented symbol should be a subject of further study as well).
Can the civilizations of the future ever learn from the mistakes of the past? In so re-building an ancient Atlantis, we may be in fact bringing upon ourselves the same fateful events that led to the destruction of Atlantis - that of greed and seeking of more power and a loss of the values of human beauty and dignity in the simplicity which comes from the freedom of material wealth.
So we must strive to keep each new discovery as a treasure for humanity and keep our focus on what we can pass on as lessons from the past, while we seek for a better model for the future.
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Under The Ice Secret Laboratories in Antarctica
Recently a report came out which is about 400 pages long and it is about a secret under-ground/ under the ice laboratory in Antarctica, that began development apparently before WWII and at the end of the war served as a place to safe-keep the high tech vehicles developed by the Germans during the war.
The report was originally submitted to a well known UFO organization and then to a respected German investigator. This material was then published online.
The report contains an astonishing tale of people being forced as slaves and prisoners in this under-ground facility. These people are at times taken to remote places of the earth and "dumped", given a new identity and apparently none of them know where they came from or where the base is, as the entire operation and their entire lives were held captive in these hidden Antarctica bases.
The main base located there is called New Berlin and conducts all types of experiments with futuristic technology, employing humans as slave guinea pigs, from all indications.
In the base one can find extraordinary tales of non-human entities, Lemurs, robots implanted possibly with human brains, tales of human torture, mutilations, killings and all sorts of atrocities, together with tales of fantastic apparently non-human technology.
And the tales of this report are also confirmed by other scientists in separate reports, apparently. According to a spam scientist's report, a Lemurian base existed in Antarctica, with the species still living and working there. The report claim the Nazis formed a pact with them during WWII. This is verified in the data of this report, on the conditions of the base and type of thinking and behavior which takes place there.
The physics included in the report are fantastic as well, and true to life, including the six-dimensional frame, the toroidal model where our 3D is but the exterior of a “hollow sphere,” and the idea (only implied here) that time-space is the region on the interior of the hollow sphere – the mirror-opposite of our own reference frame. 4-dimensional space mechanics described. Theories on the predictions of space travel.
There is also material in the German text about the interchange of space and time causing volumetric contractions and expansions of time. This is not that far from existing relativity models, but with a different application and articulation, similar to some other scientists, but unique in some ways.
The person who conducted this research displays an incredible genius and wit, despite having suffered an intense traumatic experience. His entire life was devoted to mental games and exercises of survival based on improving upon scientific theories. The only way to survive and be able to eat, was to participate in the "evolution" games, where the participants were forced to dwell upon the theories and submit new insight and solutions, in order to survive and eat. This incredible ordeal of pain and suffering resulted in an incredible intellect.
Some of the events in this report:
Human Rights Abuse in Satanic Neo-Arian anti Black Base in Antarctica
Children used as "mediums" from the under-world for communication with "higher forces".
Children and their parents imprisoned and unable to leave the base
"Alien Bases" in Antarctica
An experience report about the Alien Bases
"The future has already begun here under the ice of the arctic Glaciers. However, nobody wants to have this future."
Huge Under-The Ice City - World/Base Covered over by a "Surface Meadow"
The New Berlin Base
An experience report on an alien base
- General Thought in Base of a Good White Race and a Bad black Race of the Devil
- Religious Delusion and Attachment to Hitler Possibly Source of Name a New Berlin
Black People said not to be Godly. Godly are the Blond
Black = Bad, hatred
Good, love, knowledge = white blond
Malice and faith in a "divine love" seen in inhabitants
To these children in the base, Daddy in Heaven are ETs?
The children are forced to communicate by means of several devices, and channel the information they collect back to the adults. Thus, they are said to be selected as "Magis by God".
- Many strange under the earth symbols such as one with an engraved "C".
- Laurel Wreath of Romans used in Under-world
According to the report, all types of strange devices such as this one:
- "Multi-Colored Crown Forms sent out Radiation of Pshychic Energy".
- Objects of Religious Mockery Displayed.
- Very strange statements made in the under-world....
- Black stood for somebody from Hell.
- Trident Symbol of Satanism A Common Symbol at the Base - At Which They Exclaimed: "Yeah, I am the Winner!"
- Remote Distance from Germany net Subject of Hitler Given Extreme Attention.
- Countless Traumas on Boy Caused Personality Splitting.
Under Water Base hidden under a lake in Antarctica, near a large body of water.
Possible locations of base given. A strong possibility indicated as Palmer Land in Antarctica on the edge of the Weddlemeeres. (However the rock formations in this area may not match those described in the report).
Geologic description of the base, with photos of rocks and land formations (of the younger Jurassic age).
Under the base are located a lot of hot springs.
| Quote: | Possible locations of site, or they look like the base location, at least"
Radok Lake, Amery Oasis, northern Prince Charles Mountains
Looking across the Battye Glacier floating ice tongue on Radok Lake towards the Dart Plains in the northeast, Amery Oasis area,
northern Prince Charles Mountains
Looking southwest across Radok Lake from Panorama Point with the floating Battye Glacier in the left distance, Amery Oasis
area, northern Prince Charles Mountains © Copyright Australian Antarctic Division.
Pagodroma Gorge viewed from entrance at Beaver Lake, Amery Oasis area, northern Prince Charles Mountains (B. McKelvey,
1988) © Copyright Australian Antarctic Division.
Part of the Beaver Lake Satellite Image Map published in 1990. The background image is from the SPOT 1 satellite,
acquired in 1988. Many aerial photographs are available! |
The physics of tomorrow explained, and the physics of extra-terrestrials explained.
The link can be found here:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/base_new_berlin.html
Further description of the base:
Extraterrestrial technologies, talking robots, mind manipulation machine, mind travel artifacts, huge alien structure in the eternal ice (which they refer to as "the construction" in the report).
- Diagrams of the base.
- Tales of dreams, related stories, traumas and emotional experiences encountered (one third of the report).
- Reports on the films shown in the base - strange movies of all types.
Cold blooded movies of killing creatures & people.
- Films about gray aliens.
- Reports that in 100 years, about 1-2 billion people will migrate to another planet.
- Reports in an increase of UFO crashes in the future.
- Film on The three gray pyramids
The children trained to spy on the world by types of remote viewing and "telepathy" using an extra-terrestrial suit/ machine which allowed for mind voyages into the outside world, according to the report.
- Under-water base under a huge pane of glass and plastic.
- Under-water base hidden under a lake in Antarctica.
Under-water base on the edge of a raging ocean or a larger island.
Children trained to see outside world and paint pictures of what they saw - children become the "orange demon" to paint pictures of their experiences.
Bounty Keepers in the Base
What could this "bounty" be, by the way? Are these artifacts going back to WWII?
- Under-ground mining going on - a possible source of continual revenue.
- Satanic films in the base.
Films anti-religion and racist, inciting people against each other
- Psychological Warfare of E.T.s against Human Race
- Symbiotic Structures Between Humans and Aliens Created.
Families Being Held Prisoners in Underground Bases - one of such was 100 x 100 m tall, divided by a railway, with humans on one side and Lemurians (robots?) patrolling the other side. Small Orange Hemisphere in the Middle of the tracks. Various caves and under-ground compartments, including one with a spider-like robot.
Description of the food the people are forced to eat - a greenish jelly coming from a tube in the wall, with a fruity taste. A brown solid mass, chocolate only in color, but with no brown taste. Small colored stones (most likely vitamins). Possibly were given drugs of some type as well...
Human Brains Being Planted into Robots?
Alien Brains being planted in Robots
Alien Brains Being Planted in Humans?
Experiments in Mind Control
Food and Survival Depended on Earning Points Playing in Mind Games and working out Ideas on Physical Models.
- Glass panels with exhibits of strange facial bones.
- Human souls/minds Placed into Lemus/Robots - and made into terrible creatures which are forced to do underground labor and run with huge loads through under-ground tunnels, in a mechanistic, robotic body, with precise movements.
The Names of the Lemus
Example: Boson - Who has died.
Lemus in the base called the "dead man", or the "skeleton man", or the "trembling man". These creatures were dead people placed into the robots, according to the report.
Lemurs conducting under-ground construction work and work of all kind.
- Strange devices, such as a "Bereschewan" table, allowing viewing of outside landscape in 3D and a silver suit to put on, covering the entire body, for remote outside 3d viewing as well.
Today - Theory of Mind.
The Future of Man - The Theory of the spirit mechanics, connecting the "best strings in the hum brain interlocking sets".
E.T.s Transferring Technology in Exchange for a Trojan Horse of Mind Control?
Still-functioning Mind Control weapons. "These technologies are especially good for one purpose":
"Novel mental torture without any visible traces of torture, oppressive exercise of power, quiet warfare Unseen, etc. ...
| Quote: | | The war years 1940 - 1945 may be a first taste of what a consequences a circulation of Alien technologies can! |
Summary statements - about marginalized groups running the base, in control of powerful information and technology, with an enormous enterpreneurial potential, maintaining the production and resources, spoils hidden in the base in the hands of the select few, who consider themselves the guardians of this hidden treasure of future technology.
In the appendix also are many theories and physics of the future. This given, to demonstrate the validity of the report, according to the author. The physics was examined by leading German researchers and proven to be of sound base, and with some impressive applications and conclusions.
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justellus
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This is a very interesting topic! The article appears complete and contains in fact some excellent information.
There are some very interesting related links on this topic:
This one contains some great information:
Aldebaran Mystery…?
http://www.jimnicholsufo.com/aldebaran-mystery/
With photographs of the technology under development by the Germans at the time of WWII.
Certainly today, if such a base exists, and it does exist apparently, then the technology and physics behind it must have advanced by leaps and bounds!
| Quote: | | Dr. Hermann Oberth, who pioneered rocket design for the German Reich during World War II and later advanced rocket technology for the American manned space launches, cryptically stated, “We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone; we have been helped.” When asked by whom, he replied; “The people of other worlds.” |
| Quote: | Oberth’s fellow associate space pioneer, who also served the Third Reich, Werhner Von Braun, echoed similar knowledge of the extra-terrestrial reality when he stated in 1959, “We find ourselves faced by powers which are far stronger than hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us. More I cannot say at present. We are now engaged in entering into closer contact with those powers, and within six or nine months time it may be possible to speak with more precision on the matter.” [From "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good, William Morrow and Company, Inc. 1988.]
Just who were “the people of other worlds” that Dr. Oberth spoke of so blithely? And were both of these esteemed German scientists making oblique reference to one of UFOlogy’s most pervasive and tantalizing ‘myths’–the alleged link between the Third Reich of pre-World War II Germany and… EXTRATERRESTRIALS? |
| Quote: | | Following military defeat of the First World War, certain occult secret societies emerged in Germany intent upon discovering clues to the existence of ancient lost civilizations that once flourished on this planet; civilizations that reportedly possessed remarkable, almost magical technologies that allowed them mastery of the seas and the skies and even inter-stellar space travel. Inspiration to rediscover such technologies were found in a novel published in 1871 by Rosicrucian author Edward Bulwer-lytton, entitled, “THE COMING RACE“. Lytton tells the tale of an intrepid explorer who discovers an advanced race of humans living within a vast subterranean world who call themselves “Vril-ya”. These beings had formerly been surface dwellers until a global catastrophe not unlike the Old Testament flood, forced them to take refuge deep in the Earth. |
Not only did they take refuge deep in the earth, but apparently, they established bases also under the ocean and under lake areas, such as this one mentioned in Antarctica. All the evidence is there, and including the previously mentioned base at Andros Island.
It is interesting also, how the "Lemura" mentioned in the 400 page document sounds like the ancient name for Lemuria, the supposed empire that clashed with Atlantis in an all out war. The ancient war of the Titans? If Lemuria was a civilization inhabited by the Lemura, then the global cataclysms that led to the demise of both Atlantis and Lemuria could have forced these inhabitants to seek refuge in under the ocean areas, and under-ground constructed facilities, so as to avoid extinction in future ages, and to protect themselves from the more recent inhabitants on the earth from discovering their presence. They may have found the ideal moment at the end of WWII to establish a pact with the former 3RD Reich, where their bases were combined.
Apparently the US did send a fleet to intercept this supposed German base in Antarctica after WWII, with some 4000 men and equipment. None was heard more of this and information states that they were met with resistance of fleets of ships that could travel from one pole to the other... so apparently they were either defeated, scared away, or unable to finish their operation. This would be the case if there was indeed an "alliance" between the survivors of the Third Reich and the Alien Base, forming the New Berlin Base in Antarctica as a result of this new pact. So why since then have they not been detected or been defeated? There are many mysteries surrounding this, and perhaps it has to do with control of the advanced technology of the future. A sort of technology race could be occurying since then, between US under-water bases in Andros Island, Area 51, North Pole secret bases and others, and this New Berlin Base.
| Quote: | | “Operation High-Jump”. In January of 1947, an American military task force, complete with thirteen ships including, an aircraft carrier, seaplanes, helicopters and 4000 combat troops was dispatched to the Antarctic under the command of Admiral Richard E. Byrd, for the stated purpose of ‘mapping’ the coastline. This task force was provisioned for an eight-month polar stay, but after eight weeks and an undisclosed loss of planes and personnel, Byrd withdrew his forces. Rumor was, Byrd encountered overwhelming hostile action, he described as, “fighters that are able to fly from one pole to another with incredible speed.” He also intimated that he had in fact engaged a German contingent being assisted as well by an ‘advanced civilization’ with formidable technologies… Whatever occurred with Byrd’s expedition at the South Pole remains shrouded in mystery since all reports, including Byrd’s personal log entries, remain classified. |
It was called "Operation High-Jump". So how many men were actually lost? Was there an actual war there? Very revealing also that the entire operation and result of the same was classified....
It is interesting to note also that the Vril Society mentioned in the above link are also related to ancient Babylonian Gnostic Templar groups, Sumerian groups and most likely modern templar groups as well. These secret societies apparently are all related in some way.
| Quote: | | It is worth noting here that the Vril Society traced its philosophical origins back to a secret Bavarian, Gnostic-Templar order styling itself as “The Lords of the Black Stone” founded in 1221; an order steeped in ancient Babylonian and Sumerian theologies. Members of this Templar group displayed evidence of Sumerian influence by adopting the winged-bull for their symbol–an obvious reference to Taurus, and according to the order’s archives, successful contact with beings from the Aldebaran star system may have occurred during the Middle Ages. |
The technology revealed to the Germans by supposed "mediums" came, according to the claim, from another world. They were trying to release a new "godly" technology opposed to the old "helish" technology explosion internal combustion engines.
So why would any outside civilizations want to help anyone or form an alliance like this? The article explains this as well....They were seeking to establish a New World based on "alternative science" and help bridge the gap of economic disparity that fueled wars here. This is one theory. According to the 400 page document, other theories exist, such as the Trojan Horse theory, where technology is exchanged for the implant of a Trojan Horse of mind control technology.
So the Germans, as demonstrated in this article, began testing this new "revealed" technology and built the first RFZ-1. From then forward, the RFZ-2 was developed, (photos of these prototyes on the site also). The V-7 unit also is displayed, and the distinctive SS E-IV Unit. The RFZ-2 craft employed the "Shumman-Levitator" drive for vertical lift. Then came the advanced Vril-1 fighter, capable of 12000 km/hr with full speed at right turns, with apparently no adverse G-effects on the pilot. Similar experiences are reported in the 400 page document referred to above. From thence forward, the article states, the new "Thule-Tachyonators" levitating devices became the dominant technology.
| Quote: | | Subsequent levitation-craft advances between 1941 and 1944 spawned the “Haunebu” series, the ‘heavy hitters’ of Reich’s saucer fleet. Development of powerful tachyon magneto-gravitic drives–“Thule-Tachyonators” (speculated to be large spheres of vertically rotating mercury)–allowed design of 75 foot diameter armored saucer ships equipped with armaments such as Panzer-tank cannon turets mounted to the underside. Other craft were equipped with klystron laser cannons. |
The article also mentions an attempt at a whormhole travel, which almost resulted in the destruction of the craft, in a failed attempt.
And apparently, these weapons were used some during WWII:
| Quote: | | Meanwhile, the Allies sampled an unpleasant taste of the deadly weapons potential of German saucers. In 1944 a massive bombing raid was launched against the critical ball-bearing plant at Schweinfurt. Within a matter of hours a squadron of ten to fifteen Nazi discs managed to shoot down as many as one-hundred and fifty British and American bombers–one quarter of the entire bomber contingent. Still, facing overwhelming odds, the crumbling Reich lacked sufficient saucer squadrons to turn the tide. |
What would have happened had the third Reich possessed a greater quantity of these? Perhaps history would have been different, if this article is factual in it's content....
Mentioned also is the history of the construction of the South Pole base:
| Quote: | | With the military fate of the Reich in doubt, an ambitious, energetic General rose within the SS inner circle elite to a level of power that rivaled perhaps that of even the Fuhrer himself. Hans Kammler, a protégé’ of Heinrich Himmler, had earned a reputation with his skills for rapid development and implementation of underground manufacturing facilities, and vast mobilization of slave labor consignments from concentration camps. By 1945 Kammler had secured control over all top secret SS projects that were missile or ‘aircraft’ related. Certainly Vril projects would have been one of his foremost priorities. Cunning and shrewd, Kammler easily bore the qualifications to master mind construction of ’special projects’ facilities at the South Pole. And as of April 17, 1945, Kammler disappeared from Germany, presumably escaping capture aboard a lumbering, six engine Junkers 390 Amerika bomber, bound for an unknown destination. |
So apparently, the base in the South Pole was already being prepared for some time, and served as a refuge after the war, and a place then to send all this advanced technology.
| Quote: | | With the specter spam, British and American armies all relentlessly advancing on the German heartland, supplies, scientists, and saucer components were being steadily evacuated from Europe by U-boats to secret enclaves in Germany’s Antarctic colony–Neuschwabenland. Just one month prior to the Haunebu III’s completion a cryptic message was sent by Maria Orsic to all members of the Vril Society, simply stating “None are staying here.” The psychic medium Maria was never heard from again, perhaps having escaped–like Kammler–to South America, the Antarctic, or possibly even… Aldebaran! The question remains, was she Kammler’s collaborator or captive? |
So this is confirmation as well of the existance of this Neo Nazi base in Antarctica - the German New Berlin - "Neuschwabeland". So could many of those involved had fled to this base, taking this technology with them?
It is interesting also that after the operation High-Jump, the man in charge himself confirmed such a base and secret technology there, but apparently was murdered:
| Quote: | | Also, it should be noted that Operation High-Jump was originally organized by Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal. But later, in 1949, Forrestal was sent to convalesce for a nervous breakdown at Bethesda Naval Hospital. However, after allegedly ranting to hospital staff about the Antarctic, UFOs and an underground Nazi city, Forrestal was denied all visitors and shortly thereafter, died in a fall from his hospital room window. His death was labeled a ‘suicide’. |
http://www.jimnicholsufo.com/aldebaran-mystery/
The article goes on to make some stunning remarks:
| Quote: | Viewed from the aspect of classical physics, the whole myth is easily dismissed as fanciful rubbish; the fairy tale notions of occult channeling with space brothers from Aldebaran, and Nazis armed with flying saucers and ray-guns sounds like the most outrageous science fiction! However, this same legend reconsidered from the radically altered view of Quantum physics takes on dramatic plausibility! Was the Vril Society simply making practical application of the ‘Unified Field”? Is Vril or “the unity in natural energetic agencies” that Edward Bulwer-Lytton described, far from pulp fiction, but a remarkably accurate description of zero-point energy that pervades the entire universe? Did ancient lost civilizations of Earth share understanding with extraterrestrial civilizations among the stars that the universe is in fact a single consciousness and simultaneously an ocean of limitless energy? Could it be that a handful of daring German visionaries discovered secrets of harnessing this energy? And ultimately, who were the REAL victors in World War II?
Did a contingent of German physicists and engineers and military personnel successfully drop off the grid in 1945 and establish a new colony, totally self-sufficient and independent of the global petroleum cartels? And are the fundamentals of free-energy production fully known and deliberately withheld, at the cost of destroying our environment, merely to serve the greed of multi-national corporate and banking interests to this day? And is this ‘free-energy’ propulsion the ultimate secret behind the UFO cover-up? |
And the article goes on to report other events which are apparently tied in, including the Billy Meier case. All these being indications of the Germans pursuing their advanced technology well beyond WWII.
The further conjectures on the passage of a dark start may not be scientifically proven or confirmed, but they certainly lead to some interesting remarks as well. And apparenly, the US itself has developed the ancient Virmana spinning mercury technolgy in the mentioned TR-3B, a stealth US aircraft:
| Quote: | | And lastly, there has surfaced the mystery of the TR-3B. Allegedly one of the latest high-tech, USAF stealth aircraft rumored to be operational is the ‘Astra’, otherwise known as the TR-3B. This craft is delta shaped and capable of vertical lift, as well as all the other radical moves commonly associated with UFOs. Ths baby comes in two sizes, one 300 feet long and one 600 feet long. Its propulsion is described as “Magnetic Field Disruptor” [anti-gravity], created by spinning mercury plasma at 50,000 rpms, pressurized to 250,000 psi. This reduces the craft’s gravitaional mass by 89%. Muti-mode impulse rockets at each corner of the delta configuration supply the remaining 11% propulsion. Could this plane be the ugly stepchild of the Haunebu III?? It is interesting to note that in ancient India, the name “Astra’ referred to a ‘terrible’ airborne weapon… |
| Quote: | | If such aircraft technology seems too far-fetched, one might consider this statement from former director of Lockheed’s ‘Skunk-Works’ at Area-51, Ben Rich… “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in ‘black-projects’ and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” Having served as dirctor from 1975 to 1991, Rich is also quoted as saying, “Anything you can imagine we already know how to do.” |
Of course, all this is stated as "legend", as the evidence is sparse and the sources multi-varied and span back behind a veil of secrecy, with such a veil being compounded by formal denial at high levels. So we are left to speculate on the possible connections. But all the information taken as a hole, makes a strong case for indeed strange phenomenon and undisclosed events going on all around us.
Richard Hoagland is also mentioned, as well as the work of Nick Cook, in the hunt for Zero Point energy, and the work of Jim Marris "The Rise of the Fourth Reich". Could this be a modern day effort to bring back the flame of Atlantis? If so, it is just as dangerous as has been postulated previously. These secret societies not only threaten to take over America, according to this work, but as we have seen in recent events, are actually dis-mantling the world economy, so that they can infuse their new system into a new re-building and re-structuring of society according to their own models, which they claim are of "divine origin". And this brings to mind the possible changing of our history books, as a result of the power and influence of these groups.
| Quote: | | llegedly the Rockefeller Foundation paid $139,000.00 in 1946 to commission the publishing of an “official” history of World War II that deleted any and all references to the mystical and occult interests of the Third Reich. One of the Rockefeller Foundation’s major contributors was…Standard Oil!] |
Some other related and very interesting links are found here:
Question: What information do you have on the subject of Nazi's at the South Pole?
http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/vril6.html
What happened to these flying machines after the war?
http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/vril5.html
Why they - the world leaders and the military - keeps secret of the ufos.
Many will now ask: "Why did Hitler not win the war if he had technologies like these at his disposal?" The reason is that although a large number of these flying disks showed incredible performance, yet they were well high unusable in a military context. The reason was that the magnetic field produced by the levitation drive acted like a protective shield around the craft and, while it rendered it almost impossible to shoot down, was almost impossible for the conventional" weapons carried to penetrate without "friction".
http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/vril1.html
and another related link:
The Secret Treaty
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/et033.html
As this article states, the research behind this is indeed quite complex, and requires the participation of many and a large amount of time, to get to the true nature of what is going on around us. This link traces the history of the manipulation of societies back to the 1800's. It mentions also the vortex technology of Viktor Schauberger and later discoveries that gave the Germans a leading edge in this area of research back then.
This article also mentions the South Pole base:
| Quote: | | The Germans in the scientific community knew the war was lost as early as 1942. They decided to establish a plan for continuing the dream of the Third Reich despite the war. They decided that the establishment of a separate society founded on Nazi principles of genetic purity was the answer. The development of gravitational technology aided that plan. On February 23, 1945, the newest engines of the Kugelbitz were tested and then extracted from the craft. The Kugelbitz was blown up by SS personnel and the scientists, plans and engines were shipped out of Germany to the South Polar regions, where the Germans had maintained underground construction activity since 1941. Two days later, on February 25, 1943 the underground plant at Khala was closed and all the workers sent to Buchenwald and gassed. The Germans also sent their "aryan elite" children and other elements of their society to the underground base. General Hans Kammler, who disappeared in April 1945, was instrumental in the evacuation operation, as was General Nebe. There, the Germans developed a eugenic society that apparently is limited to a specific number of people. They're still there. Apparently they also maintain technical colonies in South America. |
The article goes on to list many interesting developments since then, such as the base at Groom Lake in 1951. It also mentions these control groups:
| Quote: | | The Bilderbergers are headquartered in Geneva, and evolved into the elite secret body that still controls international situations. Nelson Rockefeller, Gerald Ford, Henry Kissenger and George Bush are involved with the world control groups, and have been for many years. |
With shouts in the New Berlin base of "yeah, we are the winners", this only makes one wonder what is really going on? What do these groups plan for the future of humanity. As the 400 page article states, could the vision of the future of humanity be actully hidden under the vaults of the arctic base? What a dire future this would be indeed.
The article also discusses the reasons for the development of such bases.
| Quote: | | In 1957, it was decided that the course of human evolution would make the planet uninhabitable by the year 2000, so various "Alternatives" were discussed. Alternative 1, was to allow things to continue the way they were and hope things could be repaired. The second alternative was to arrange for underground cities and facilities to be built in order to insure the survival of select groups of people. Alternative 3 was migration to other planets. Both Alternatives 2 and 3 were chosen as being the most viable. Work was then started on both of them. In order to implement Alternative 3, alien technology would be needed. It was also necessary to push for more complete forms of mind control in order to insure a smooth flow of operations despite any opposition that might occur. |
Could the status of Antarctica as open for "scientific research" be actually a cover-up for the provision for these types of bases, as a possible means of survival in the event of global catastrophes?
And what is the project "Dreamland" in Nevada, which begun in 1957, mentioned also?
According to the article, they were appropriated as "Presidential Shelter Funds"
| Quote: | In 1957, work under Project Redlight was begun in earnest in Nevada. A facility code named DREAMLAND was constructed in the proximity of an alien underground base known as "S-4". Here, the process of exchange of alien technology began.
1958
In 1958, International Geophysical Year, expeditions were made to the poles in order to again assess the problem of the Germans, as well as the threat from aliens of different character that were detected as coming from inside the Earth. Work continued on Alternatives 2 and 3.
1959
In 1959, the RAND Corporation held several conferences on Deep Underground Construction. These conferences were attended by the various military services as well as large corporate construction firms like Bechtel. Underground construction projects began within a year. Existing underground facilities were beefed up and new ones were started. Funding for government underground facilities come from "Presidential Shelter" funds, as well as covert drug operation conducted by the CIA under the orders of MJ-12. This procedure appears to be still in effect as of July 1989. Over 75 underground facilities have been constructed under various programs. |
And many other related projects are mentioned, including project Aquarius, the area of Dulce, New Mexico, the Cheyenne Mountain Norad facility, project Redlight in Nevada, and also the ultimatum that Kenedy issued on MJ-12, which they apparently wish to connect to his case. And the mind control experiments are mentioned as well...including in England and the CIA mind control project at Bethesda Naval Hospital, which ended in 1972. The Norad facility was later re-classified by Reagon from air defense to "Aerospace Defense". Could Reagons "Star Wars" program be actually a program of inter-stellar, inter-planetary defense? By 1987, the budget for this program reached 4.2 billion, with the DoD funding 75% of all fed reasearch and development. Further, the site mentioned abobe in Nevada, the article states, is the center of a geomagnetic vortex and in 1983 a metal rod was disovered there by a Nevada researcher.
The article notes also the development of related technology, indicating that by 1966 the SR-71 blackbird had already been developed, with technology at the time far superior to that which was being made available to the public. And in 1983, the 117A Stealth fighter.
And the entrainment of the public to elect Bush is mentioned also....by use of the ELF transmitors at that time... and then we have the Florida joint base, and Reagons pronouncements in 1988 of an "alien threat from outside this world".
On the grey threat, the article goes on to state:
| Quote: | | In June 1988, Senator Cranston is allegedly shown disks at Norton AFB. The publication "NASA Techbriefs" shows a photo of an EBE with no caption or explanation. Word comes from New Mexico to researchers that Los Alamos has developed an antimatter weapon, which allegedly will be used as a last resort if "the Greys cannot be pried away from the planet". The number of Greys on Earth is estimated at 20 million. In December, Steven White (President of Bechtel Investments) dies. Bechtel has been heavily involved in underground construction. Starting in 1989, billions of dollars are being spent modernizing NORAD. |
So thus could the German New Berlin could have possibly opened a pandora's box, giving the greys access and delivery power of mind control technology?
The end of the article is interesting as well, on the possible destruction of under-ground bases:
| Quote: | 1989
Starting in 1989, billions of dollars are being spent modernizing NORAD. Data on Project Excaliber is released. The project is involved in developing a warhead that will penetrate 1000 meters of earth and then detonate. Useful for destroying underground bases.
1989 is the year that Zbigniew Brzezinski predicted that the United States Constitution would be re-written. In January 1989, William Cooper and John Lear issue an indictment to the president regarding the alien problem. |
Something was mentioned also about an undisclosed massive under-ground explosion in Russia recently. Could this in some way be related as well?
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