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justellus
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And what is space expanding into after all?
Here is what Nasa refers us to -->>
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/011021a.html
| Quote: | The Answer
Thank you for your question. Perhaps the simplest way to look at these questions is the following: if the universe includes, by definition, everything -- all of space, time, matter, energy -- than there can be nothing outside of it (and hence no edge), nothing for it to expand into. Its true that this is contrary to our everyday experience, as is much else in physics and astronomy; but of course our everyday experience does not extend to the entire universe. In some ways this line of argument parallels those in refutations of the "argument by design" for the existence of God.
Another way to look at it: if there were a higher-dimensional space in which the universe were embedded and into which it expands (like a two-dimensional balloon expanding into three-dimensional space), we could have no way of ever measuring the existence or characteristics of such a space. Whether such an unobservable space can truly be said to exist at all is a question best addressed by philosophers such as yourself! |
Clearly, NASA does not have the answer!
it is leaving it up to philosophers to propose!
So then the theories I proposed are not so far fetched after all, if even NASA cannot explain this. Here is what I had postulated previously:
Space as we know it is defined only by the presence of energy and matter. Thus, in the far reaches of the universe, where there is no more matter and energy, there is thus no space. As the galaxies expand further out, they "push" themselves into a newly created dimension, one that is coming into being at every second at the far extreme corners of the universe. As this new space is created, it tugs in matter and energy, wrapping the same in it's embrace. This causes the sub-sequent acceleration of the expanding galaxies, as their energy is pulled away to form the new boundaries of space. Thus, the universe is in expansion - space is in expansion and the limits of the universe are being constantly pushed outward. This outward push creates the effect of acceleration that some postulate as dark energy, but in reality is due to the expansion of the universe into empty areas where neither space or time exists. As it comes into existence in those outer regions, it extends the current outer limit of our universe and further space is created, with it's subsequent bending and warping caused by the presence of matter
And as noted, according to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time
The edge of the universe, as I had predicted, is where the space-time continuum as we see it ceases to exist in it's present form, and microscopic quantum convulsions take over, turning all information into a 2D planar.
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| Quote: | | Susskind and 't Hooft extended the insight to the universe as a whole on the basis that the cosmos has a horizon too - the boundary from beyond which light has not had time to reach us in the 13.7-billion-year lifespan of the universe. What's more, work by several string theorists, most notably Juan Maldacena at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, has confirmed that the idea is on the right track. He showed that the physics inside a hypothetical universe with five dimensions and shaped like a Pringle is the same as the physics taking place on the four-dimensional boundary. |
So the 5th dimension is the newly created dimension, where the contortion force of the infinitely small strings pull and tug on matter with bountiful energy.
What lies beyond this limit then? Only the convulsions at this microscopic quantum level, and after this, an infinity of possibly nothingness
The new dimension is what the scientists are observing and describing as the grains, or ripples at the microscopic quantum level. When dark holes crash in on themselves, the information is not lost, under this view, but rather converted into a 2D planar of information.
At the planar level, it is the boundary between this dimension and the next dimension. At the universal limit point, it creates this boundary where the infinitely small quantum convulsions are pulling in matter, expounding the outer limit of our universe at an accelerating rate. It is at this planar level where the standard link between matter, energy and space is created. Beyond this planar, space has not yet been filled with dark matter and thus is "nothingness". In that region, light, matter and energy cannot enter. It is, if you will take it, the boundary past the fifth dimension.
Thus, it is not dark matter in itself creating this external tug on the universe, but the formation of matter, energy, light and new space as a result of the crash of dark matter into a 2D planar of information, which depends on the absorption of new dark matter to tug the universe out at an expanding rate. (It is possible this never ending process leads to sub-sequent galaxy mergers and the birth of new galaxies as well, as these forces are constantly re-shaping the stellar map and depending on the 2D planar location, the external tug may vary, as the rate of dark matter absorption by the 2D planar can also vary per planar coordinate. This explains also the pringle shape.) I believe also that the waves of this space-time continuum distortion at the planar boundary cast their waves throughout our universe in a dense infinitely small string level, where dark matter exists. It is the presence of these strings that explains various observable phenomena. At the outer edges of the universe, this 2d planar can be detected as a type of background noise. This background noise is in essence a reflection of this microscopic infinitely small quantum level ripples of this continuum, where the same ceases to exist in it's present state. |
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These "quarks" keeping popping back into this thread, with their threat. Their perfect alignment of behavior truly reveals they are identical particles that believe to carry their own weight. Yet nothing they reveal about their true mass as they have no content.
Now, do Scientists Agree on How Fast the Universe is Expanding?
According to Hubble team, slower the closer you are from earth, and faster the further away you are. So what does this tell us then? Everything is expanding away faster and faster, the further it get's away from earth! Voyla! So the earth then, according to the Hubble team is the center of this expansion. Everything close to the earth is expanding slowly and the further out you get, it expands exponentially faster. So Hubble's formulas essentially put the earth in the center of the universal expansion. So what does this say for the entire Hubble theory? Under this definition of the Hubble team, how could the universe be expanding potentially faster from every universal point ? This also does not make sense... Obviously, it must be expanding exponentially faster from a single central point. |
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Wow. I actually decided to read one of your posts.
Basically, here is your point, I think:
| justellus wrote: | | So two NASA scientists cannot even agree on this subject matter? ... So it is not true science, by any sense of definition of the term, but only unproven scientific theory. |
Actually, it's a hypothesis.... but, wow!, you just figured out that scientists often disagree, even at NASA?!?!?!!?
| Quote: | | So figure that one out. Science will then never have the answer. Not at least for a few million or billion years. |
You just realized this? So, what, we should stop doing science now? we should just listen to you and our priests? There's no point in trying to figure it out because you'll be long dead?
To paraphrase justellus: "Science is wrong"
To paraphrase justellus: "God did it. We know this because science has proven it."
To paraphrase justellus: "I'm right"
I'm not sure what your point is, except you seem to be making wild claims that you know the answer... because you read it in the Bible.
I have one small request. Please put your Hypothesis into a mathematical formula, so we can see what you are talking about.
You know, something elegant and simple like:
Could you do that for us? Or do you just want to claim how right the Bible is, and you are, AFTER scientists has done all the hard work?
(Good thing we don't listen to you, or people like you, otherwise we'd still be thinking angels hold us down to the Earth, not gravity....  )
You're funny. 
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So Oober is back now, and a little more sober.
Huum..putting it into formulas.
For one thing, you claim nobody is reading this, so what good what that do?
Second, Nasa has declared it is up to philosophy to discuss. Obviously if neither Nasa or Einstein was able to figure this one out, then wouldn't this be a little to much now to ask?
Further, this is no small point -->>
The Connection Between Traditional Science and an alternate Scientific Belief System may have been bridged, in a sense.
So what does discussion on CMB this tell us about the universe we live in? It's deepest secrets have been locked from science with a tight encoded key, which is heavily encrypted with the greatest security. So in essence, this is the portal or connecting point where science and a belief in an intelligent creator fuse into beautiful harmony. This is the Big Picture, and in a sense, although cannot yet be proven by observation, is also a perfect model to represent the universal laws as we know them, and thus the known universe under current understanding. Certainly it does not violate any known natural law or current understanding of the world, now does it?
What greater spectacular gift then could we ask for then this one?
So then the secrets of this key many a mysteries hold and clearly we cannot prove or experimentally test what lays beyond CMB until we have better equipped satellites to observe this region. And, if there is a greater universe beyond, the light may have not reached us. So then, we would be back to awaiting another million years until the light beyond CMB reaches us in the first place. So even if this hypothesis is placed into a formula, we will need to wait for millions of years to be able to test it.
But here is my challenge - I challenge you to find any scientist who has a better hypothesis then this one, or one that more clearly explains CMB. If you can do this, perhaps someone shall award you a medal of brilliant scientific research endeavor. Just joking, yet if someone can do us this favor, all will benefit including this hypothesis. So far I have not seen anyone propose this hypothesis, have you? So clearly it is my own and it cannot be said that I have copied it from some other source, as you claim.
Now any are free to post their own scientific ideas on this subject, are they not? So where are the other scientists now? Off busy drinking coffee? Maybe they will pop into this thread eventually. |
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Thanks for the tip and links, will have a look at them.
Now, to keep the topic open-minded:
Since some have been pressing for a further explanation, let's use some basic concepts of this theory to attempt to interpolate some new ways to express the same. Perhaps a few formulas could express some basic concepts, but not the entirety of the hypothesis. A few rudimentary formulas were thus devised in a sketchy format that need further tweaking, but express a few concepts being explained.
My theory is similar to the Steady State Theory which goes back to 1948, or the Chaotic Inflation theory, C-field theory, with the inflation the same as the cosmic inflation but instead of new matter being created, new space is being created and existing dark energy is being expanded. No new matter is created and the dark matter is expended.
The entire process can go on infinitely as the amount of dark matter and dark energy in the universe is very large.
Existing dark matter is consumed and the dark energy ΩΛ or cosmological constant remains un-altered.
Dark energy must remain at aprox. 74% of the total mass energy of the universe for ΩΛ to remain constant.
Now, with the expansion of space, the volume of space is increased. For the constant to remain un-altered, the amount of dark energy must also increase by the same amount, expending the dark matter kicked off by the implosion of black holes in the process, creating the quantum ripples of the continuum as well. So the dark energy and dark matter are indeed together are responsible for the expansion, but are not themselves the cause. Rather, it is the increase of volume of new space being created by the consumption of the dark matter and quantum level events which exist at the 5th dimensional planar level.
Since no equation can explain all these events, some initial thoughts lead to the following simplified representations, considering General Relativity:
With the cosmological constant formula we have:
So ΩΛ = (8piG/3c2)PA
The new equation may be something like this:
So ΩΛ = VS/[(8piG/3c2)PA] x 1/DM/***
Where:
G = Newton's constant law of gravitation
c = speed of light
PA - vacuum energy density (dark energy)
VS - volume of space
DM= dark matter
Where the relationship between dark matter and dark energy become inversely proportional. Thus as dark matter decreases, dark energy and space volume increase. New dark matter is replenished by the consumption of more stars in black holes and the energy is converted over to information at the planar level.
Further, the overall ΩΛ remains constant when the volume of space is increased, and the dark energy or vacuum energy density is increased with the consumption of dark matter and the concurrent hiper string fluctuations at the quantum level.
Conclusion:
When matter is expended to create black holes, and these are expended to create dark matter, this dark matter is expended to create dark energy, and this dark energy expansion is responsible for the expansion of space due to these quantum level events at the planar 2D level, where we have the Horizon events coinciding at this planar level, in the limit of a finite space-time continuum constant, which remains unchanged. The universe is thus in this model a closed system and the equilibrium of energy as stated in the second law is maintained.
The entire chain is set in motion by the designer as a means of sustenance of the current universe. The universe follows till the end of the seventh eon, at which time all stars are expended and a new universe is created. The existing universe has thus existed for 7 eons, with man created at the end of the 6th eon. We are thus at the final eon, which will still last a very long time. Under this view, the mechanism is set in place only at the time of the creation, as the expansion of space occurs at the speed of light and not as a massive instantaneous explosion where space would be required to expand at millions of times the speed of light. The entire system is thus fine tuned for survival by the creator and is maintained by the various mechanisms set in place.
***Note:
This formula again is an over simplification and only an initial study, thus not an accurate representation, and needs help from fellow scientists who adopt the same views also. (As certainly scientists who adopt alternate views will not accept this hypothesis). But it should serve as a sample model of the types of formulas which can be devised. The actual equation and sequence of elements in the equation may need revising, since these equations are in their inception. They are therefore conceptual, just as a design may be conceptual and need some help or "tweaking" and revising to become fully functional or represent the reality we wish to express. I do not propose to be presenting a perfect model, you must understand I am busy with other activities and do not have time to devote full attention to this subject matter. Therefore, under closer scrutiny, this formula can be freely revised as needed. |
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| justellus wrote: | Thanks for the tip and links, will have a look at them.
Now, to keep the topic open-minded:
Since some have been pressing for a further explanation, let's use some basic concepts of this theory to attempt to interpolate some new ways to express the same. Perhaps a few formulas could express some basic concepts, but not the entirety of the hypothesis. A few rudimentary formulas were thus devised in a sketchy format that need further tweaking, but express a few concepts being explained.
My theory is similar to the Steady State Theory which goes back to 1948, or the Chaotic Inflation theory, C-field theory, with the inflation the same as the cosmic inflation but instead of new matter being created, new space is being created and existing dark energy is being expanded. No new matter is created and the dark matter is expended.
The entire process can go on infinitely as the amount of dark matter and dark energy in the universe is very large.
Existing dark matter is consumed and the dark energy ΩΛ or cosmological constant remains un-altered.
Dark energy must remain at aprox. 74% of the total mass energy of the universe for ΩΛ to remain constant.
Now, with the expansion of space, the volume of space is increased. For the constant to remain un-altered, the amount of dark energy must also increase by the same amount, expending the dark matter kicked off by the implosion of black holes in the process, creating the quantum ripples of the continuum as well. So the dark energy and dark matter are indeed together are responsible for the expansion, but are not themselves the cause. Rather, it is the increase of volume of new space being created by the consumption of the dark matter and quantum level events which exist at the 5th dimensional planar level.
Since no equation can explain all these events, some initial thoughts lead to the following simplified representations, considering General Relativity:
With the cosmological constant formula we have:
So ΩΛ = (8piG/3c2)PA
The new equation may be something like this:
So ΩΛ = VS/[(8piG/3c2)PA] x 1/DM/***
Where:
G = Newton's constant law of gravitation
c = speed of light
PA - vacuum energy density (dark energy)
VS - volume of space
DM= dark matter
Where the relationship between dark matter and dark energy become inversely proportional. Thus as dark matter decreases, dark energy and space volume increase. New dark matter is replenished by the consumption of more stars in black holes and the energy is converted over to information at the planar level.
Further, the overall ΩΛ remains constant when the volume of space is increased, and the dark energy or vacuum energy density is increased with the consumption of dark matter and the concurrent hiper string fluctuations at the quantum level.
Conclusion:
When matter is expended to create black holes, and these are expended to create dark matter, this dark matter is expended to create dark energy, and this dark energy expansion is responsible for the expansion of space due to these quantum level events at the planar 2D level, where we have the Horizon events coinciding at this planar level, in the limit of a finite space-time continuum constant, which remains unchanged. The universe is thus in this model a closed system and the equilibrium of energy as stated in the second law is maintained.
The entire chain is set in motion by the designer as a means of sustenance of the current universe. The universe follows till the end of the seventh eon, at which time all stars are expended and a new universe is created. The existing universe has thus existed for 7 eons, with man created at the end of the 6th eon. We are thus at the final eon, which will still last a very long time. Under this view, the mechanism is set in place only at the time of the creation, as the expansion of space occurs at the speed of light and not as a massive instantaneous explosion where space would be required to expand at millions of times the speed of light. The entire system is thus fine tuned for survival by the creator and is maintained by the various mechanisms set in place.
***Note:
This formula again is an over simplification and only an initial study, thus not an accurate representation, and needs help from fellow scientists who adopt the same views also. (As certainly scientists who adopt alternate views will not accept this hypothesis). But it should serve as a sample model of the types of formulas which can be devised. The actual equation and sequence of elements in the equation may need revising, since these equations are in their inception. They are therefore conceptual, just as a design may be conceptual and need some help or "tweaking" and revising to become fully functional or represent the reality we wish to express. I do not propose to be presenting a perfect model, you must understand I am busy with other activities and do not have time to devote full attention to this subject matter. Therefore, under closer scrutiny, this formula can be freely revised as needed. |
this is excellent. Now we have a clear hypothesis that can be tested. Now we're doing science!
We'll forget your reference to a "Deusigner", and move to the actual testable stuff:
So ΩΛ = VS/[(8piG/3c2)PA] x 1/DM/***
Where:
G = Newton's constant law of gravitation
c = speed of light
PA - vacuum energy density (dark energy)
VS - volume of space
DM= dark matter
For VS and DM, what are your units?
I think we should get this in front of a bunch of science forums, not a Designer forum.
I'll start spreading it around and citing you as the author.
Would you like to put your real name to it? It would be a shame to miss out on all the fame and fortune you will no doubt receive, since you are confident you are right.
I'll let you know where I post it.
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More time is needed to adjust the equations to guarantee that the ΩΛ remains constant and to account for the loss of dark matter as an eventual gain back in the implosion of black holes and the like. And the result of introducing DM into the equation needs to be studied, and some may believe that the dark energy constant actually could fluctuate also with distortions in the space time continuum, so it may indeed not be factored as a complete constant in this case, particularly when we consider special relativity and other lines of thought. Even Einstein was proven wrong on some occasions and he even introduced at one time a "fudge factor" into his equations, which later he discredited, but later now is being adopted by some scientists as actually a viable explanation. So much work is needed still to perfect the equations and draw further equations as well that can explain the behavior of this 2D planar in a more complete manner, rather then looking only at the behavior of ΩΛ. However the cosmological constant is a very important element to study within finite closed systems, as these formulas will help us to understand if indeed space could be limited and expanding or if past the 2D planar more information exists.
We also know from quantum physics that biological elements of life affect particles at the Quantum level, and these can be manifested independent of location. Thus, information transfer may actually be possible at the Quantum level and this is independent of space, mass and even can leap ahead of time at certain moments, given the right conditions. It is that the events in the time sequence at the 2D planar are actually occurring as all part of the same energy flow at the quantum level, and this energy is encoded into matter at the same quantum level. A few experiments have demonstrated the direct influence of biological life upon this Quantum level such as this link -->>
Telekinesis at the quantum level
http://www.whps.com/misaha/ArticleEngl-4.htm
Here is some information to understand the rationale behind this theory proposed:
| Quote: | The Hidden Reality: "The Quantum Vacuum"
One unresolved problem of quantum mechanics was that if light and sub-atomic particles can apparently only exist at discrete energy levels, and can jump from one level to another, where do they go during the transit from one energy state to another when they cannot be observed? It is now believed by many that probability waves of particles and those of electromagnetic energy are the results of an ‘energy dance’ on the surface of a hidden reality outside space and time, called the ‘quantum vacuum.’ although ‘Vacuum’ is a misleading expression, implying as it does to us, ‘nothingness’. Theorists have predicted that it is energetically enormously dense, so dense that we should be crushed by it, but it is frictionless and so neither we nor our instruments register it (Laszlo, 1996) (Pratt, 1997).
The quantum vacuum corresponds to the ‘implicate order’ proposed by physicist David Bohm, as a vast ocean of hidden energy on which the physical, or ‘explicate’, world, is just a ripple (Bohm and Hiley, 1993). Material particles and waves pass into and out of existence on the surface of this vacuum, as in a dance. It underpins and gives rise to physical reality. We move in it like a fish in water and owe our existence to it.
All of creation both animate and inanimate is proposed to be linked at the level of the quantum vacuum, and at this level the rules of space and time as we observe them in our daily lives, cease to exist. Solid objects seem solid only because it is the perception of forces between atoms and molecules create on our consciousness: what looks solid is really a dance of tiny particles in the vacuum. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html
So this 2D planar is thus the quantum vacuum which gives rise to this expansion of space by pulling in dark matter in it's grasp and expanding the dark energy. It exists as a functional limit to the space time continuum, guaranteeing the stability of the entire system. Some refer to it as the "field", or "quantum hologram", "physical vacuum" and other names. The order is created by the encoding of information at the quantum level where these particles dance back and forth and create our physical reality. All the forces in the universe are but a reaction of energy at this quantum level, where waves of energy bend and interact, creating patterns and encoding of information which is transferred at the quantum particle level beyond the limit of space and time. The encoded information translates itself as physical reality at different energy levels.
| Quote: | We know of the principle of non-locality’, which points to an aspect of reality where the interaction between objects does not diminish with distance, so it can act instantaneously, obviously much faster than the speed of light, linking up locations without crossing space.
If two particles are linked in some way, (e.g. opposite spin or correlated in their polarization), then the act of observing one should cause changes to the other instantaneously, no matter how remote in distance it might be. The implications are stunning! because it implies that communication faster than the speed of light is quite possible, and that distance is no object. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_principle_of_uncertainty_faster.html
The effect of the observer mentioned earlier is also briefly explained here:
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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"Justellus"
From your conclusion in the post of 3:23 p.m. Mon Jan. 26:
..."The entire chain is set in motion by the designer as a means of sustenance of the current universe. The universe follows till the end of the seventh eon, at which time all stars are expended and a new universe is created. The existing universe has thus existed for 7 eons, with man created at the end of the 6th eon. We are thus at the final eon, which will still last a very long time."...
How did one arrive at that conclusion?
I've freely cut and pasted some of the statements in your concluson below:
"Now, to keep the topic open-minded:"
I sure hope so...
..."This formula again is an over simplification....
...to become fully functional or represent the reality we wish to express....
...therefore conceptual, just as a design may be conceptual and need some help or "tweaking"...
....must understand I am busy with other activities and do not have time to devote full attention...
...under closer scrutiny, this formula can be freely revised as needed...."
Sooo, are you engaged in the classic behavior of circular reasoning?
I am a creature of nature, I enjoy being one, and this dialogue has been entertaining as well.
Cheers! 
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Must understand I am busy with other activities and do not have time to devote full attention.
This little monkey is getting into everything, and hates her cage.
all the facts I need.
I love nature. We should treat monkeys better. I think I'm going way-old-school and start worshipping our animal kin, so much wiser than us. Maybe a Wolf spirit or an Eagle or a Dung beetle? I'm glad to see everyone with thier open minds. 
Get that stuff published justtellus, see what you got, it is interesting.
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That's a cute monkey ya got there dj
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| justellus wrote: | | Even Einstein was proven wrong on some occasions and he even introduced at one time a "fudge factor" into his equations, which later he discredited, but later now is being adopted by some scientists as actually a viable explanation. |
Yes, he did, but he didn't see the big picture, like you. This is where we have the edge. You have a better grasp of the whole thing.
| Quote: | So much work is needed still to perfect the equations and draw further equations as well that can explain the behavior of this 2D planar in a more complete manner, rather then looking only at the behavior of ΩΛ. However the cosmological constant is a very important element to study within finite closed systems, as these formulas will help us to understand if indeed space could be limited and expanding or if past the 2D planar more information exists.
We also know from quantum physics that biological elements of life affect particles at the Quantum level, and these can be manifested independent of location. Thus, information transfer may actually be possible at the Quantum level and this is independent of space, mass and even can leap ahead of time at certain moments, given the right conditions. It is that the events in the time sequence at the 2D planar are actually occurring as all part of the same energy flow at the quantum level, and this energy is encoded into matter at the same quantum level. A few experiments have demonstrated the direct influence of biological life upon this Quantum level such as this link -->>
Telekinesis at the quantum level
http://www.whps.com/misaha/ArticleEngl-4.htm
Here is some information to understand the rationale behind this theory proposed:
| Quote: | The Hidden Reality: "The Quantum Vacuum"
One unresolved problem of quantum mechanics was that if light and sub-atomic particles can apparently only exist at discrete energy levels, and can jump from one level to another, where do they go during the transit from one energy state to another when they cannot be observed? It is now believed by many that probability waves of particles and those of electromagnetic energy are the results of an ‘energy dance’ on the surface of a hidden reality outside space and time, called the ‘quantum vacuum.’ although ‘Vacuum’ is a misleading expression, implying as it does to us, ‘nothingness’. Theorists have predicted that it is energetically enormously dense, so dense that we should be crushed by it, but it is frictionless and so neither we nor our instruments register it (Laszlo, 1996) (Pratt, 1997).
The quantum vacuum corresponds to the ‘implicate order’ proposed by physicist David Bohm, as a vast ocean of hidden energy on which the physical, or ‘explicate’, world, is just a ripple (Bohm and Hiley, 1993). Material particles and waves pass into and out of existence on the surface of this vacuum, as in a dance. It underpins and gives rise to physical reality. We move in it like a fish in water and owe our existence to it.
All of creation both animate and inanimate is proposed to be linked at the level of the quantum vacuum, and at this level the rules of space and time as we observe them in our daily lives, cease to exist. Solid objects seem solid only because it is the perception of forces between atoms and molecules create on our consciousness: what looks solid is really a dance of tiny particles in the vacuum. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html
So this 2D planar is thus the quantum vacuum which gives rise to this expansion of space by pulling in dark matter in it's grasp and expanding the dark energy. It exists as a functional limit to the space time continuum, guaranteeing the stability of the entire system. Some refer to it as the "field", or "quantum hologram", "physical vacuum" and other names. The order is created by the encoding of information at the quantum level where these particles dance back and forth and create our physical reality. All the forces in the universe are but a reaction of energy at this quantum level, where waves of energy bend and interact, creating patterns and encoding of information which is transferred at the quantum particle level beyond the limit of space and time. The encoded information translates itself as physical reality at different energy levels.
| Quote: | We know of the principle of non-locality’, which points to an aspect of reality where the interaction between objects does not diminish with distance, so it can act instantaneously, obviously much faster than the speed of light, linking up locations without crossing space.
If two particles are linked in some way, (e.g. opposite spin or correlated in their polarization), then the act of observing one should cause changes to the other instantaneously, no matter how remote in distance it might be. The implications are stunning! because it implies that communication faster than the speed of light is quite possible, and that distance is no object. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_principle_of_uncertainty_faster.html
The effect of the observer mentioned earlier is also briefly explained here:
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html |
well, that's way too heady for me. I'm just going to trust that you are right.
Although, i don't think you are right about the "spooky action at a distance" being used for communication. This is based on probability (as is all quantum physics) and you would not know which particle was the one to watch for the information.
It's not as if there is a one-to-one relationship of known particle "a" and known particle "b".
It's the reason we can't transport people like in Star Trek in real life - only the movies and tv.
But, i'm sure you knew this.
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| justellus wrote: | | Even Einstein was proven wrong on some occasions and he even introduced at one time a "fudge factor" into his equations, which later he discredited, but later now is being adopted by some scientists as actually a viable explanation. |
Yes, he did, but he didn't see the big picture, like you. This is where we have the edge. You have a better grasp of the whole thing.
| Quote: | So much work is needed still to perfect the equations and draw further equations as well that can explain the behavior of this 2D planar in a more complete manner, rather then looking only at the behavior of ΩΛ. However the cosmological constant is a very important element to study within finite closed systems, as these formulas will help us to understand if indeed space could be limited and expanding or if past the 2D planar more information exists.
We also know from quantum physics that biological elements of life affect particles at the Quantum level, and these can be manifested independent of location. Thus, information transfer may actually be possible at the Quantum level and this is independent of space, mass and even can leap ahead of time at certain moments, given the right conditions. It is that the events in the time sequence at the 2D planar are actually occurring as all part of the same energy flow at the quantum level, and this energy is encoded into matter at the same quantum level. A few experiments have demonstrated the direct influence of biological life upon this Quantum level such as this link -->>
Telekinesis at the quantum level
http://www.whps.com/misaha/ArticleEngl-4.htm
Here is some information to understand the rationale behind this theory proposed:
| Quote: | The Hidden Reality: "The Quantum Vacuum"
One unresolved problem of quantum mechanics was that if light and sub-atomic particles can apparently only exist at discrete energy levels, and can jump from one level to another, where do they go during the transit from one energy state to another when they cannot be observed? It is now believed by many that probability waves of particles and those of electromagnetic energy are the results of an ‘energy dance’ on the surface of a hidden reality outside space and time, called the ‘quantum vacuum.’ although ‘Vacuum’ is a misleading expression, implying as it does to us, ‘nothingness’. Theorists have predicted that it is energetically enormously dense, so dense that we should be crushed by it, but it is frictionless and so neither we nor our instruments register it (Laszlo, 1996) (Pratt, 1997).
The quantum vacuum corresponds to the ‘implicate order’ proposed by physicist David Bohm, as a vast ocean of hidden energy on which the physical, or ‘explicate’, world, is just a ripple (Bohm and Hiley, 1993). Material particles and waves pass into and out of existence on the surface of this vacuum, as in a dance. It underpins and gives rise to physical reality. We move in it like a fish in water and owe our existence to it.
All of creation both animate and inanimate is proposed to be linked at the level of the quantum vacuum, and at this level the rules of space and time as we observe them in our daily lives, cease to exist. Solid objects seem solid only because it is the perception of forces between atoms and molecules create on our consciousness: what looks solid is really a dance of tiny particles in the vacuum. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html
So this 2D planar is thus the quantum vacuum which gives rise to this expansion of space by pulling in dark matter in it's grasp and expanding the dark energy. It exists as a functional limit to the space time continuum, guaranteeing the stability of the entire system. Some refer to it as the "field", or "quantum hologram", "physical vacuum" and other names. The order is created by the encoding of information at the quantum level where these particles dance back and forth and create our physical reality. All the forces in the universe are but a reaction of energy at this quantum level, where waves of energy bend and interact, creating patterns and encoding of information which is transferred at the quantum particle level beyond the limit of space and time. The encoded information translates itself as physical reality at different energy levels.
| Quote: | We know of the principle of non-locality’, which points to an aspect of reality where the interaction between objects does not diminish with distance, so it can act instantaneously, obviously much faster than the speed of light, linking up locations without crossing space.
If two particles are linked in some way, (e.g. opposite spin or correlated in their polarization), then the act of observing one should cause changes to the other instantaneously, no matter how remote in distance it might be. The implications are stunning! because it implies that communication faster than the speed of light is quite possible, and that distance is no object. |
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_principle_of_uncertainty_faster.html
The effect of the observer mentioned earlier is also briefly explained here:
http://www.thequantumsite.com/articles/2006/03/the_effect_of_the_observer.html |
well, that's way too heady for me. I'm just going to trust that you are right.
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