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ArchiMotion
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| For heavens sake, this link posted by Chris is ground braking - this topic is making history! Imagine, all the fundamentals of science as we know it today is flawed! Science as we know it today is a fluke ! |
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SDR
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Post the link again ? I'm falling behind. . .
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WorldDesigner
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: The Link to Make History |
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Here is the link to make history -->>
http://einsteinhoax.com/
The fundamentals of all science as we know it today are essentially flawed.
And why did it takes us so long to realize this? How long they had us tricked by a fluke.
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SDR
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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I love it !
Nonsense of this sort often turns out to have a religious component, sadly -- sad for the reputation of religions.
"When an expert cannot make himself understood by an intelligent and motivated layman, it invariably means that the expert does not understand his subject! "
Isn't that rich ? Wishful thinking, for someone who feels (as many of us might) alienated from the advanced work of our scientists. Who is to select the education/intelligence "cut-off point" -- "Anyone with X level of education or intelligence should be able to understand theory Y, or theory Y is bogus" ?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| SDR wrote: | I love it !
Nonsense of this sort often turns out to have a religious component, sadly -- sad for the reputation of religions.
"When an expert cannot make himself understood by an intelligent and motivated layman, it invariably means that the expert does not understand his subject! "
Isn't that rich ? Wishful thinking, for someone who feels (as many of us might) alienated from the advanced work of our scientists. Who is to select the education/intelligence "cut-off point" -- "Anyone with X level of education or intelligence should be able to understand theory Y, or theory Y is bogus" ?
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Well, let there be no religious component or equation, with respect to my pointing out this article. I think we all need to really read it before we can take our personal opinion on the matter. All I can say is that if this article is true, then all the fundamentals of modern day science are flawed. Basically, the article says that anyone with a little knowledge of physics and basic calculus can understand the implications and results of this common sense article, which refutes the validity of Einstein's math equations to support his theories. Now this I have, as I did study calculus and physics as well..... so let's get to studying the article before we jump to conclusions.... |
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WorldDesigner
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| SDR wrote: | I love it !
Nonsense of this sort often turns out to have a religious component, sadly -- sad for the reputation of religions.
"When an expert cannot make himself understood by an intelligent and motivated layman, it invariably means that the expert does not understand his subject! "
Isn't that rich ? Wishful thinking, for someone who feels (as many of us might) alienated from the advanced work of our scientists. Who is to select the education/intelligence "cut-off point" -- "Anyone with X level of education or intelligence should be able to understand theory Y, or theory Y is bogus" ?
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Further, you missed the point of the article. It is saying EXACTLY THIS. That the scientists are able to use a fluke to deceive the general public, by hiding the formulas of their equations behind flawed mathematics. Now, how could all the theory of the universe be hid behind mathematical formulas, and how could such formulas explain all the interworking of our universe. Truly, now, if the formulas can be shown to be flawed, then the work of these "genious" men is truly not so genious after all...this is the point of the article...now, all you need is a basic understanding of calculus and physics to understand the article, even skimming over it, you can get the jist of it and pick off the main points of the arguments. And those Einstein diagrams chosen to prove his theories, are nothing more then elemental physics in motion. This is the point being made. How can such simple diagrams convey all the information in our universe into a few theories ? |
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csintexas
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well that paper is pretty esoteric. I don't think that it makes anything particularly understandable. It is using mathematics, figures and (facts?) which the average person even with a little interest in physics would not be able to verify.
Although the idea that common logic could figure this out it is pointless because it takes extremely complex measurement to verify it.
In the end, since this has been on the internet for several years, I would have to assume people in the physics world would have found it just as I did while searching for more info on photons, neutrinos and the big bang and so decide for themselves.
There is no conspiracy or hoax. Scientist are often wrong and they like many people do not like to admit it.
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ArchiMotion
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Well, if this article is correct, and I suspect it may well be, then it would be very surprising that modern science has not seen this before. How could the global intelligence of scientists have missed this? If this article is true, then this only proves the scientifically community is teaching us lies.
The strongest argument for this article is this fact --->>
How can such complex mechanisms such as relativity, quantum physics, the origin of the universe, distortion of the space matrix, black holes etc all be summed up in pretty little mathematical formulas ? It just doesn't make sense, and the article makes every sense. Those formulas cannot be proven, put to empirical tests, and scientists know it very well. Einstein may have made significant contributions towards the development of nuclear weapons, but when it comes to formulas to explain everything, I as well don't buy it.
I would even go so far as to post a challenge to the scientific community to prove the formulas to us. They cannot do it. It is a big lye and we are being fooled.
Science as we know it today is one big hoax, for the most part, invented and contrived to deceive man into believing that science has all the answers, rather then philosophy or religion. Many theories of science today, that are spewed at us as facts are nothing more then formulas and theories to complex to prove by empirical analysis. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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What answers does religion give us? I can't think of any.
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ArchiMotion
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It gives us answers many in the scientific community and in society in general, are not willing to consider and accept, particularly on the origin of the universe, on how it was created, the sequence of creation and all the underlying physics behind creation. Science rather is biased toward formulas that are not proven. Society is biased toward peer views and views adopted by other members of society. The real answers are there for the wise who do the searching. But the truth is hidden from fools, who remain in their folly due to their refusal to consider the answer religion has for us.
"then, if believe not in me, then believe in the miracles I perform", this one expression demonstrates, that even at the time of one of the greatest religious men of all times, people were not willing even to believe if something incredibly miraculous was done right in front of their eyes.....thus...even if beings from the skies were to come down to show man the truth, nobody would believe it. Man is rather blinded by his own folly, by his mortal condition which has blinded him from searching in his own heart and soul for the answers. Rather, he resorts to his blind intellect, which has lead society into blind pathways of the blind following the blind.... It is most of all, our condition of erring fallible beings that obscures the greater mysteries of religion from us, making us insensitive to it's answers. |
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Where did God come from?
If I saw him poked his head into our upper atmosphere and said hello I would certainly believe he exists. Until then I have no proof either way.
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I warn against discussions that involve both science and religion in the same topic...it has no end...like a cat chasing its tail (or is it a dog...see what I mean?). Religion is about faith which has nothing to do with science. Science is about fact, or should I say the theory of facts....nothing to do with faith...TRUST ME! 
Danger, danger...
I believe...the fact is...who cares?
FFF...amen. Halum aselekum...hari hari...bless you...two plus two equals four.
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ArchiMotion
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| csintexas wrote: | Where did God come from?
If I saw him poked his head into our upper atmosphere and said hello I would certainly believe he exists. Until then I have no proof either way. |
See, this demonstrates what I have been saying in these threads. Not even if a being from the skies were to come down and show us the truth, would men believe. You see, it is our mortal fallen condition of erring humans that makes us completely, utterly incapable of manipulating and understanding the truth. It is only when we are confronted by it's presence, in the sanctum of ultimate spirit/body/soul experience that we are able to personally observationally prove the existence of the spiritual realm. You see, it is such a personal experience that even though it cannot be submitted to observational techniques of science, is just as real, as are the accompanying miracles and unexplained physical manifestations of this spiritual reality. It is evident everywhere, but mere mortal men are not able to contemplate upon it's semblance, in the risk of dying even upon the appearance of a mere corner of it's semblance (see story of Moses for example).
Now, I am more then willing to demonstrate from a more scientific perspective, but hesitate to get into arguments and discussions about religion in these forums, considering many are so antagonistic to these ideas, and fiercely oppose any who would propose such what they consider "heresy" of ideas, which, in their minds, contradict the rigor of science or are not in the experience of their senses.
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Crap.
What the hell has happened to the educational system in this country ? The average citizen used to be able to distinguish truth from fantasy. Now we have people living is some sort of la-la land. How did the country that led the world in science and industry, become a latter-day Flat Earth Society ?
These are the same people who can no longer find Canada and Mexico on a world map. There is a growing percentage of US citizens who believe the Sun revolves around the Earth ! At this rate, in 100 years we'll be back to grubbing for mushrooms in the woods -- at a time when the greatest challenges lie just ahead, for everyone on the planet.
I just learned today that a cousin of mine, a well-educated woman of 60 years, believes that Al Gore is pulling our leg (or something) about global warming, and that it's heretical to consider that the great United States (or any other peoples) could conceivably have contributed to the problem. Her long and painful recovery from a serious car accident 30 years ago apparently convinced her of the presence of God. Why this should in turn lead to willful ignorance is a mystery to me.
How sad. How did this happen ? How will we help ourselves, each other, and our progeny if we live in total denial of uncomfortable truths ?
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ArchiMotion
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| SDR wrote: | Crap.
What the hell has happened to the educational system in this country ? The average citizen used to be able to distinguish truth from fantasy. Now we have people living is some sort of la-la land. How did the country that led the world in science and industry, become a latter-day Flat Earth Society ?
These are the same people who can no longer find Canada and Mexico on a world map. There is a growing percentage of US citizens who believe the Sun revolves around the Earth ! At this rate, in 100 years we'll be back to grubbing for mushrooms in the woods -- at a time when the greatest challenges lie just ahead, for everyone on the planet.
How sad. How did this happen ?
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What you say has occurred is a picture you are painting in your mind of America, it's educational system, the level of culture of it's inhabitants, and their world views. You are suggesting a large percentage of Americans believe the world is square still. You are the first to suggest this.
As far as I know, Americans receive a pretty good education and are as well informed as they desire to be. If other's beliefs do not conform to our own, we call it crap. But others may consider what we believe crap. So it is a matter of perspective. Since when have Americans been living in some sort of la-la land ? I do agree there are many who may not know where Argentina is, but this is nothing new. American ignorance on anything outside American is notorious, and nothing new. So why such reactionary response all of a sudden, in response to this topic. It is that views being expressed do not agree with your own, so it causes an emotional response of categorical nature.
There are even some in other countries who believe the US never went to the moon, it was a sham. There was no sky, it was black in the pictures. It was a hoax they claim.
Now, would such people who are not US based have any reason for believing what they choose to believe? |
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