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Kevin
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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject: Fox News equals Bad News |
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Donald, do yourself a favor, and upgrade your news feeds!
Studies have shown that the more people watch Fox News, the less they know about the facts of world events.
Over the weekend I saw a very good movie in a local multiplex, Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War On Journalism (review), which shows with powerful concreteness how Fox manipulates, not accidentally, but as a shamelessly conscious strategy of political manipulation, how O'Reilly for instance lies doggedly, regularly, and repeatedly, and how the whole channel is driven by an explicit program of top-down ideological control.
I believe in facts, and I think you do too. So let's just skip the often-ridiculous propaganda that Murdoch pushes as "news", and move on to real concerns. |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting link.
The Murdoch downgrading influence goes very wide. The damage that Murdoch has done to British culture in incalculable.
However, with access to the internet nobody has a real excuse of ignorance.
Like I said, "branding". "Fox News, "Murdoch" ....... all it takes is for the big media buyers to question whether being alongside Murdoch-style news is good or bad for the product that they are helping to promote.
"Our fizzy drink is refreshing" in an advert next to "Bush told truth about WMD" (or whatever they are "spinning" today) may imply that the drink is not refreshing and start people wondering what sort of gas is in the bubbles .....
No joke. To the media, advertising is like oil - a steady flow is essential.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I appreciate the optimism in your comments! |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:23 am Post subject: |
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you, Donald, are fully aware of the misinformation and twisting of the truth used by such media outlets.
Knowing that what is said is misleading, you calculatedly and deliberately set out to spread such misinformation in the full and certain knowledge that through it you endanger America and Americans.
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Richard Haut
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"without the historical context"
Donald, I could not care less about Democracts or Republicans, or the sleaziness of an administration that is reduced to sneering at someone (whatever party they belong to) for winning medals.
the historical context, as you call it, is an amateurish attempt to re-run the British attacks, starting in 1917 and going through the 1920's, to secure Iraqi and Iranian oil. These were undertaken because the Americans had abused their position as suppliers of oil to the Royal Navy (Winston Churchill's view - and he had been First Lord of the Admiralty).
as for WMD - you should check out what is happening to some of your own bio-scientists in America. It might help if so much of the carefully crafted hysteria was not based on such self-evident drivel. Of course there are bio-weapons (such as the poison gases of WWI) but they are very difficult to produce and use. Ricin, incidentally, is very good for your hair and nails - it is also a mild poison, so use it carefully. (You can buy it in supermarkets in France so I hardly think that it is that dangerous).
As for the liberal-bias in the media, as you call it, you really should look at Greg Dyke's new book. He was not merely a friend but financial supporter of Blair. Dyke is a very capable man and was hardly "liberal media" when he was at the BBC. You might learn how third-rate bullies like Blair actually operate - though of course the unanswered question is who are they loyal to. In Blair's case certainly not the people of Britain.
Would Kerry be better than Bush ? That is not only difficult to answer, but I also believe it to be a secondary matter. It is the ultra-right-wing freaks of the NWO behind Bush who are the danger.
What are you supporting ? Certainly not a better and fairer America. Certainly not a more respected and successful America. Certainly not a safer America.
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Richard Haut
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Like I said: "Certainly not a better and fairer America. Certainly not a more respected and successful America. Certainly not a safer America."
so what are you supporting, Donald ?
do you despise America so much (as Rove and the others of the NWO do) that you want to keep doing damage - hoping to drag America down to your own level ?
the Nazi Party attracted third-raters as well, those who felt that the world hadn't been "fair" to them. Now was their time, their chance - they'd show everybody.
But America is not Nazi Germany.
America doesn't like losers, Donald.
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Richard Haut
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"rebuilding"
not much rebuilding, Donald. (that was the money that was stolen by Americans under Bremer's administration - according to US auditors. 8.8 bn. dollars).
or do you call auditors "liberals" ?
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Richard Haut
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we all know that over 20 countries helped Saddam, but pretending that bin Laden was supported by France and Germany is a deliberate lie.
not to worry - American auditors are very good. It is thanks to them that we know just how much money was stolen by some US organisations from the Iraqis.
it begins to look as if a significant number of Americans do not like being disgraced by the thieves that you support.
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it's over, Donald.
your lies haven't worked. Trying to blame Muslims, the French, Germans, Liberals, auditors, whoever - anybody that you can think of.
the New Yorkers know that they were betrayed.
it is now what is called an end-game.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Classic, Donald. When a poll is against your opinion, you're against polls, and putting down thinking with the masses. When a poll (in the form of ratings here) is with your opinions, then suddenly it represents the wisdom of the public.
In this particular case, high ratings for Fox network coverage of the Republican national convention (if they are true) are virtually oxymoronic. The RNC this year is emerging as quite a grotesque hatefest, chock full of high emotions and severe distortions. It seems to match the Fox network in both style and line.
Fox viewers simply represent the prime audience for the RNC. Big deal! Touting those ratings is like acting amazed that lots of sports fans watch a sports channel.
What's interesting, and a bit scary, is to consider the affinity those ratings reflect, along with the fact that Fox viewers have been statistically shown to mis-informed relative to other network's viewers. Not so much to be proud of there. |
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Donald believes that if viewing or readership figures are high, then it must be true.
The following is from today's mass-circulation tabloid the "Daily Mirror". Nice to know what your Allies think of you, isn't it ?:
READE: DON'T DUB DUBYA THE NEW WINSTON
Sep 2 2004
FOR the first time in years I didn't go abroad this summer.
Just stayed in Blighty watching hailstones almost burst the window and Clare Balding's eye sockets almost burst the telly whenever Sharron Davies's nipples came into shot.
But I didn't miss those sunny foreign climes. In fact, contrary to the whingers who believe our spirit is being crushed under the weight of taxes, asylum-seekers and obese kids, I realised this country isn't so bad after all.
How gloriously inspiring to see Kelly Holmes and Amir Khan, children of Jamaican and Pakistani immigrants, proudly draping themselves in the Union Flag, throwing two fingers to the racists who say multi-culturalism has brought nothing but misery to Britain.
But not quite as glorious as our sprint relay team snatching a gold the Americans had assumed was theirs by right.
Because those four lads (more products of multi-cultural Britain) reminded us of a truth our political masters have long encouraged us to forget.
That the Yanks are not our superiors. They are not there to rule us. They are not some super race to be permanently obeyed. That more often than not they are a shower of losers.
You want to know where USA finished in the real Olympics medals table - the one that takes the top 30 countries and calculates how many medals were won per head of population? Twenty-second. Four places behind the UK.
And yet we treat America with such awe.
We obsess on their dull (usually rigged) presidential elections, when the US media gives more space to a cat stuck up an Alabama tree than it does to our own domestic politics.
What's going on here?
Why aren't we heaping contempt on Rudy Giuliani for trying to win votes by comparing the spineless, draft-dodging George W Bush to Churchill. That is a savage piece of slander. Even to the dog on the insurance commercial.
Churchill was a winner who saved the free world. Bush is a loser who would bring Armageddon down on the outside world if he could build a defensive shield around Texas.
Yet in some bizarre reversal of reality the Republicans line up testosterone-drenched muppets to hail him a victorious war hero.
The Democrats are no different. John Kerry constantly bangs on about his heroism in the Mekong delta.
But Vietnam was a war they shouldn't have fought and a war they lost. Bush hijacks 9/11 to portray himself as the victor in a War on Terror. But that's another war they have lost.
It's three years since the World Trade Center was flattened yet Osama bin Laden has not been caught, al-Qaeda is stronger than ever and terrorism runs amok.
The Churchill analogy should serve to remind us of this. That since independence, America has only ever won a major war with Britain on its side.
So let's take a break from slavishly following their macho freak-shows at home and abroad. We don't need them half as much as we feel we do and we certainly don't need to feel inferior or beholden to a country we taught how to speak and how to rule itself.
It would be nice to think Tony Blair came to the same conclusion on his holiday.
But I doubt it. You can't watch hailstones or Sharron Davies's nipples in Italian castles.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14596131%26method=full%26siteid=50143%26headline=reade%2d%2ddon%2dt%2ddub%2ddubya%2dthe%2dnew%2dwinston-name_page.html
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Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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A few apparently-faked documents (faked by unknown sources), do not change the underlying story.
Nor does an instance of journalitic incompetence by CBS change the underlying story.
But Donald, you seem pretty excited about about the chance to avoid the underlying story. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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If you want to have a conversation, stop mis-quoting me and otherwise distorting what I say. If you don't want to have a conversation - if you just want to rant like an immitation of a Fox media host - then please take your output somewhere else.
Meanwhile, the underlying story is blindingly obvious, and you know it.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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For people who have been following these threads...
Donald responded at this point with a blitz of new postings full of ridicule and vituperation.
This Fireside Forum at DesignCommunity.com is provided for responsible discussion. Responsible discussion does not include rampant hate-mongering.
In my estimation, this particular back-and-forth went past the threshold of responsible, at a high speed, with no sign of looking back - and ignoring various warnings along the way. And the distraction from the primary purposes of DesignCommunity.com had become too severe. So, with some regret, Donald's forum account has been suspended, for now.
Responsible discussion of political topics, which respects both facts and opponents, continues to be welcome in the Fireside Forum. |
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pkergohan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Fox News is great I love it and I am a liberal. I love how those right wing nut jobs think that there fair and balanced. I watch it every night and you see them misquote or plan out lie.. Its like Saturday night live meets the news. Me and all my liberal friends get a kick out of it and it gives us something to talk about the next day.
Bill O'Reilly Owns he reads emails all the time from both sides so he can seem in the middle when it is so obvious he swings to the right 
Hannity & Colmes is the show to watch!! I love this show because you can see Sean be very rough with the liberals and watch combs treat the conservatives like there good friends and when he tries to be tuff we just all laugh. (I hear Saturday night live is going to make a cartoon from this  )
Its just not conservatives that watch fox new, all of us do.
Its better then the sci-fi channel if you want to see un-fair and un-balanced news.. |
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