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Ed Ziomek
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 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: On a larger scale...Multi-National Corporate Empire Building |
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SDR...
Could it be that the story is much bigger than Iraq?
Could it be that the numbers in future profits are on a scale that is in the trillions, not billions? (Energy revenues, of course, which include nuclear power, and oil power, without Shiia influence)
Could it be that the sacrifices we are seeing are simply the smoke screen for a multi-national political power grab, and power retention?
Something tells me that persons in the administration see Iraq as a mere bump in the road, a necessary evil that draws everybody's attention, for a much bigger payday for themselves.
I think that when this crew leaves office, they will have a multi-national energy force in place, financed by the tragic war we call Iraq, with nothing changing on the power and influence scale. They may even feel held back by the chains of the American political structure.
There are too many obvious reasons for simple common sense people to end this debacle, to stop what is going wrong. Or maybe, the chaos is the point of it all, as we have suspected all along?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose chaos itself is in no one's interest -- but I have no doubt that there is some goal behind the (seemingly self-defeating) "policy" of the current cabal. And I don't doubt that it is much bigger than Iraq.
Two belligerant blowhards (Bush and Ahmadinejad) on the international scene is two too many !
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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and now we have reprisal killings of whole neighborhoods orchestrated by one side against the other using us troops as a tool to do it.
those who wish to control society will never it's a fascist pipe dream.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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very interesting information thanks for sharing it!!
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I came across an idea for stopping the war in Iraq from 2003 (by local Nice artist Ben):
http://monsite.orange.fr/richardhaut/page5.html
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One wonders where GWB was on 1/10/03 (04 ?) at 10:33 am, and what he was doing. (What day of the week was that ?) I hope he didn't fall off his bike (again) !
It would have been nice to attempt a telepathic transmission that would have an immediately noticable effect observed by many; perhaps the next one could be timed to coincide with a live television interview or some such event.
I wonder if the man would interpret such an event as a message from the deity. . .
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: Where is Ben now? |
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Rich, good to hear from you. Where is Ben today, so I can buy him some escargot and Schnapps and tell him his telepathy failed?! SDR...did GWB fall off a bike or did Laura Bush punch him out back in 2003?
On the serious side, another horrific bomb near a Shiite shrine. Can I ask the difficult question...is there any statistical information on how many Shiias have been murdered, versus Sunni? After the Parliament bombing, the enraged survivors I believe insisted on a Shiia security force, from here on out. Serious, serious agreement on my side.
And as you mentioned earlier, is the Turk military now moving into Kurdish Northern Iraq?
But thank God things are getting better, I heard it on Fox News!
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Richard Haut
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Yes, Ben's telepathy failed, but I cannot help wondering if it might not be time to try again - about Iran. As he says: why not try something that will only cost you three minutes of your time ?
We are still hearing lies about the directional explosive devices being "Iranian" when we all know that they are B.R.I.T.I.S.H. - even if some of them are locally-produced in Iraq.
The division of one group against another is stated policy for the Zionist extremists and their Neo-Con temporary allies. That is the whole point - to crack nations like Iraq into smaller warring factions. How many have been killed ? The report (from the Lancet) stating over 600,000 dead in Iraq since 2003 (until months or a year ago) has been acknowledged as being based on sound research. Add in the UN figure of over 750,000 Iraqi children dead as a direct result of the sanctions, and the well over 250,000 Iraqis slaughtered in Gulf War I, (and then there are the over 1,000,000 Iranians dead in the US/Western backed Iran-Iraq war). We are talking heavy figures here. Sunni or Shia ? I doubt that that is of any more interest to those running US Black Ops than the most extreme Fundamentalist would care if the US soldier they blow away is Catholic or Baptist.
Is there any American who has been involved in causing such mega-death before ? Sure has - and old Henry has been backing off from Dubya during the last week.
The Iraqis are well aware of the intention. Before this horror is over I believe that we will learn how significant the involvement in the bombing of civilians the US/UK/Israeli forces have been.
Turkish troops have undertaken raids inside Iraq, some 20 or 40 kms, to attack US-backed terrorist sites. However, if they move the third of a million battle-ready troops into northern Iraq, then I can only wonder how Fox News would report it.
However there have been two stories in the news that may indicate trouble ahead: firstly, the Israelis are trying to block a ten billion dollar US arms sale to Saudi Arabia, and secondly the attack which was undertaken so effectively inside the Green Zone.
The US military conglomerates will not be pleased about a huge arms deal to an ally being interrupted, will they ?
And an attack inside the Green Zone needs only a single word in response .......... Saigon.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: Again and again... |
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Rich, again you bring up many troubling, painfully true, tragically under-reported issues.
On your comment..."Before this horror is over I believe that we will learn how significant the involvement in the bombing of civilians the US/UK/Israeli forces have been."
Not for this timeframe can I fathom the United States agreeing to any bombing of civilian targets intentionally, other than a few misguided attempts to get senior Al Qaeda members...even those have gone terribly wrong. But again and again, and again, I can be terribly mistaken!
But as for opportunists stringing along, or pseudo-employed hired guns among the 50,000 contractors in Iraq (who mostly are legitimate support troops as far as I can tell), does anyone know the awful truth? Who controls these people? It certainly has been mentioned in this thread, and certainly we all understand the miserable possibility that double agents, or provocateurs are among the same people we have trained, who we probably still are employing, who might also be planting roadside bombs? The Shiia-Sunni slaughter... is it 1 to 1, or 10 to 1, or does anyone know? Are we so numb now, that nobody cares?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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who is it that made al-qaeda and do you think they still have them on the payroll?
that is what i want to know.
the OCCI bank that Reagan created that is the link between Osama and Hussein it created them both as well as the Iran contra affair.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Tenets Comments, Rudy's Warning.... |
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first seen on Digg.com reference...
http://digg.com/news/page6
EXPOSED: CIA warned Bush of 'ANARCHY' in Iraq if US invades.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/tenet_iraq;_ylt=AjkpPn9F_OdlQYanCW0wyGgDW7oF
Tenet Blasts Bush Administration: "Men of honor don’t do this”
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/27/tenet-blasts-bush-administration-men-of-honor-dont-do-this/
And Rudy Giuliani's comments....
"If any Republican is elected president -- and I think obviously I would be best at this -- we will remain on offense and will anticipate what (the terrorists) will do and try to stop them before they do it."...
Insisting that the election of any Democrat would mean the country was "back ... on defense," Mr. Giuliani continued: "But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have. If we are on defense, we will have more losses and it will go on longer."...
"America will be safer with a Republican president."...
I ask the simple question..."How do you know this Rudy?"
Remember, like no other Mayor in America, Rudy got first hand access to all the dirty little secrets. He had very able, very talented NYPD security people assigned to many foreign and domestic locations for intelligence gathering.
These Rudy comments are a conspiracy nuts dream, haven't we heard enough stories of possible collusion between this government and OBL and the Oil megatrusts? ...Or that this government KNEW that bad guys were in America and would stage a catastrophic event using airplanes? Or that the French and Israelis and Germans warned us, and we passed on all warnings?
Why did the Mafia suffer under Rudy Giuliani? Because he was a tougher SOB than they were! He doesn't mince words, and this is what scares me. Is he sincerely warning us, or is he predicting the future, based on the inside knowledge that he knows?
Olbermann: Rudy Giuliani Exploits Fear for Power and Personal Gain
http://www.alternet.org/story/51153/
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Ed, I believe that Giuliani was issuing a threat.
In Britain, Blair is muttering about resigning, but that is not all that he is saying.
On 23rd. Arpil there was an article in the Times talking about an attack on “a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki” - an "big" attack on Britain - an attack by "Al-Queda". the so-called intelligence sources tried to mush together nuclear threat, Al-Queda, Iran and British Muslims.
Blair then echoed the threat.
Perhaps if the attack happens, he will feel that he should stay in power.
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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and i just got back from protesting the Defense Contract Management Agency
aka
DCMA: defenseless civilian mortality agency
people responsible for ensuring Federal acquisition programs (weapons systems, war supplies, and lethal services) in support of U.S. military actions., including "preemptive" wars based on lies and deception witch enrich profiteers and immiserate whole nations thereby harming and preventing the realization of domestic and world peace.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Another take...a Promise? or a Warning? or Threat? |
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Rich...from my naive point of view, I never had anything against Tony Blair, although he certainly seemed to follow too close to Bush.
But Rich, your quote..."On 23rd. Arpil there was an article in the Times talking about an attack on “a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki” - an "big" attack on Britain - an attack by "Al-Queda". the so-called intelligence sources tried to mush together nuclear threat, Al-Queda, Iran and British Muslims."
What if the Times report were true? What if 5 years from now, we looked back and said..."In May 2007, we shoulda, coulda have done...whatever"?
So if American elections were held today, and acting on the side of safety for all of us, for the whole world...I would want to vote for Abe Lincoln as President, and Vlad the Impaler, aka the Junk Yard Dog, as Vice President on a short leash.
And of all the candidates, and alleged "to-be" candidates, I only have two kinda-sorta choices at this moment... Fred Thompson for President, Rudy Giuliani as Vice President.
These are ghastly moments in which we live, in which we helped create, but if the Times article is even remotely true, I wouldn't want a Cinderella negotiating with thugs.
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terrifying, isn't it ?
unfortunately, the article in the Times is self-contradictory. Aside of twisting its words to imply such an attack on London, it also admits that the extreme Muslim groups do not possess any weapons grade material - none.
could there be a terror attack on London soon ? sure could - it is the only way that Blair could cling to power.
read the following summary about 9.11.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/280307handle.htm
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