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Donald
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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: Oil prices |
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OPEC's acting secretary general was quoted yesterday as saying that crude oil could hit $80 a barrel within two years. Gasoline prices in the past few days have shot up 30 cents a gallon, its close to $2.00/gal in the South for the cheap stuff. Oil is over $52 a barrel right now....imagine what a gallon of gasoline will cost when it hits $80. It's still not the most expensive it has ever been, but it could be cheaper.
Yet there is a solution to this. It's called producing our own oil, and not relying on OPEC for so much of it.  |
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SDR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Why would American producers/refiners charge significantly less for gasoline after the OPEC price goes sky-high? American consumers have demonstrated that they'll pay ANYTHING for the stuff -- not happily, but they'll pay.
Postponing real solutions to this problem is just putting off the inevitable, making the eventual re-direction more disruptive and more costly.
Discussion of where the next batch of petroleum will come only distracts us from the larger question.
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Donald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | .....where the next batch of petroleum will come ..... |
For starts, lets begin drilling for that Alaska Tea....oil. It's time to send the oil rigs north, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge where by some estimates, there are between 6 and 16 billion barrels of oil. The area where the drilling would occur is but 8% of the entire refuge, and the other 92% wouldn't be touched.
Its also time to start building refineries. Lots of 'em. Big, huge, gasoline refineries, where enough capacity exists to offset the summer driving season squeeze.
Both of this type activity will bring the foreign oil "sky high prices" down, as OPEC feels the competition of the US productions.
And last but not least, it's time for the EPA and all 50 states to settle on a single gasoline blend to be used year round...to stop the nonsensical practice of requiring oil companies to make 50 different blends of gasoline.
Of course, it's unlikely any of this will happen. Perhaps when gas hits $3 or $4 or ANYTHING more a gallon, maybe people will start to think about it.
Just maybe. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| So, you advocate the short-term solution, and ignore the long-term problem. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Donald, you've already posted your hype in favor of pointless environmental destruction in Alaska elsewhere in the Fireside Forum.
In general, you've been dong a bit better for a couple of days. Thank you!
But repeatedly flogging a point that has been already covered, to the point of being obnoxious or harassing, is in itself a violation of forum guidelines.
Here's another version of the friendliness test:
Would you want that guy to sit down nearby at your tavern? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe it would be better if I suggested that we see oil rigs off the coast of Florida than drilling in Alaska....further away from ANWR....but the point is, we really need to start producing our own oil, and not relying on OPEC for so much of it....plain and simple....and if the truth hurts, I'm sorry about that. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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It is not the truth that hurts nearly so much as lies. I see very little truth in your whole range of positions regarding oil, demand for it production of it, conservation of it -- but many lies, falsehoods, and other deceptions. Which we've already been over, in previous threads.
Lies hurt.
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SDR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| And the truth about oil being a finite resource? |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly, for instance. |
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Donald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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OK, where is a proposal as an alternate fuel? Where will it come from? How will we transition to this other source...remember the Carter years and Iran contra? Corn fuel was the best one offered up at that time.
Maybe there are those who believe there are alternative fuels that will guarantee that no American boy or girl will go to war because of our dependence on foreign oil... " Ah yes...the old blood-for-oil charge... thats the language of irrationality.
It's particularly galling when liberals talk about our dependence on foreign oil when they won't lift a finger to correct the situation.... The environmentalists throw a snit fit whenever we try to drill for our own oil, try and build a refinery or try to do any oil exploration. I guess we're all supposed to conserve while waiting..... ! |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Donald, don't just keep ranting and complaining. You can be here if you want to carry on a friendly conversation. But if you just want a pulpit to spout from, this ain't it. Go get a blog, or a congregation, or something.
More specific responses to most of your scattershot rhetorical questions have already been posted in the previous threads on this topic. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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What I'm not hearing is any response to the question: what will our descendants do when the oil runs out? As I understand it, we may have less than 100 years to answer that question. Solar-electric-generated hydrogen (for those applications, like aircraft, which may still require a form of combustion engine) is one potential answer, while solar, wind and wave-generated electricity will presumably provide for all stationary-equipment needs.
Even though the energy coming from the Sun is free, energy companies and utilities will still be able to sell the collection and distribution of that energy to the rest of us, so no one need fear the end of the present business model.
What other objections there may be to the study and implimentation of these new energy means, I cannot say. But they are coming, nevertheless. What's the problem? |
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Donald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Lets see, when the oil runs out in 100 yrs., we'll be beyond running empty on all 8 cylinders...and flying through space with the greatest of ease, and looking at that waste land of parking lots and ribbons of pavement...and wondering how best to utilize and recycle them for landing strips. Nuclear energy, a thing of the past...as most will be gone with the wind.
Some people are probably wondering what exactly is a blog. The news is essentially just that. Commentary on current events. Links to stories for more information, etc. Here are a few more political type blogs from both sides of the political spectrum. (Yes, I'm being overly general, and know I don't fit the mold. Don't bother writing to tell me that. ):
For those on the left:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://washingtonmonthly.com/
http://dailykos.com/
and for those on the right:
http://www.instapundit.com/archives/016511.php
http://andrewsullivan.com/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
I'm not sure I would be sitting at that tavern table playing nice nice after a reply about ranting and complaining....I'm wanting solutions....not an abusive denunciation. |
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Donald
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SDR
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Sorry, but in all that I don't hear a response to my questions and proposals. What do you forsee us doing in 100 years? Your poetry doesn't seem to enlighten me on that point.
I'm familiar with blogs. Particularly the ranting. . .been there, done that.
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