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Donald
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 Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: North Korea challenges the USA |
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North Korea is warning the United States in its New Year's message that the prospect of nuclear war is increasing because of our policies. How about we just give them what they want? Just think...we could rid the world of another psycho-dictator and provide plenty of free parking for South Korea 
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050102-123846-1239r.htm |
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Donald
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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North Korea is back on the band wagon again, and this should come as no surprise....the resident Communist KJI of Asia has decided that it just might be in his best interests to come back to the negotiating table for additional six-party talks. The other countries, including Russia and China have told Kim Jong-Il to end his little temper tantrum and return to the discussions.
North Korea has set some conditions. What does it want? "Sincerity." Yup..that's all. But Kim Jong Il need look no further than what happened in Iraq to know just how sincere the United States and George W. Bush are. No matter what sort of posturing and assorted nonsense North Korea puts forth in the media, they know we've got them surrounded.
After all, now that North Korea has nukes what are they going to do? Use them? Hardly. All that would leave them with would be a Pennsylvania-sized crater north of the 38th parallel. Oh, and by the way ... do you think that the mainstream media in this country will ever tell the American people of the role that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton played in this saga? If it were not for Carter's free lancing and Clinton's inaction we might not be facing this problem in North Korea today |
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SDR
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Yeah, that Jimmy Carter! Now, THERE'S a war-monger. . .
It's been noted that the US threatens (or attacks) only those not in possession of nukes (thank heaven). Wonder why? |
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| SDR wrote: | Yeah, that Jimmy Carter! Now, THERE'S a war-monger. . .
It's been noted that the US threatens (or attacks) only those not in possession of nukes (thank heaven). Wonder why? |
who have we had any kind of tensions with in the recent past who had nukes besides N korea?
there is only a handful of countries with nuclear weapons....and half of them are our stuanch allies...so that doesn't leave much for the odds of the US attacking a country with nukes... |
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Donald
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Maybe one would have to back to the Cuban Missle Crisis for the most recent before North Korea....not sure....and yes its Jimmy Carter, the one who the United States Navy most recently commissioned an attack submarine to be named after. And believe it or not, the sub is nuclear-powered. Of course, President Carter is the only president to ever have been qualified in submarines, having graduated from the Naval academy, and served as an officer aboard submarines, so there is no question that he deserved the honor.
That said, the irony here is just too much. A nuclear-powered attack sub named after Jimmy Carter? Your right SDR, what possible scenario would Jimmy Carter support his own submarine going into battle? For someone who favors negotiating with terrorists and buddying up to thugs like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, military action isn't high on his agenda.
Perhaps a more appropriate Jimmy Carter submarine would be one that runs on solar power and delivers humanitarian aid to communist countries. Oh, and it would be about 48 degrees inside with everyone wearing sweaters. Gotta conserve energy, you know. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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the nuclear sub 'jimmy carter' is actually thought to be the US's new 'spy sub' since they just recently decommissioned the sub that held that honor for the past couple decades
the carter is nearly 100 feet longer than the standard seawolf class submarine... most observers suspect that this is done to make room for sophisticated spy equipment and an area to launch special forces units in small submarines or unmanned submarine recon...
the sub is thought to have the technology to tap fiber optic cable that would be laid underwater...since much of the 'most secret' communications in the world take place over secure fiber optic lines rather than satellite which allows for easy eaves dropping
although the carter will also maintain the normal fitting of cruise missle bays and torpeado bays...but the extra 100 feet of boat make most think that the sub won't be seeing too much action as a strike sub like it's seawolf brothers... |
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Donald
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| Instead of USS CArter, maybe the more appropriate name should be the U S S Appeaser |
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Architorture
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i was thinking b/c of its 'sneaky' nature it could be the nixon  |
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Donald
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In the meantime, there are people in this country who are thrilled with the fact that the North Koreans possess nuclear weapons. In fact, no doubt there are America-hating leftists who would be pleased to see a nuclear attack. If leftists like Ward Churchill want to see the United States wiped off the face of the earth ... what better way?
In the meantime, it's all too easy for us to talk about what should and should not be done with North Korea and Iran. But how would you like to be the person who has to make the decisions here, knowing that whatever you decide, lives will be on the line.
Maybe the six party talks with China and Russia as the point, will make this a lot easier for us in NK. |
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in the end i think china really has the most to lose in this situation and i'm glad to see they are at least trying to get NK back to the table...
i think most nations are almost ready to tolerate NK as a nuclear power so long as they don't start spreading the weaponry around or selling it off to the highest bidder...
of course they couldn't very well do either of the last 2 without a test to actually prove that they have achieved a nuclear weapon...something that i really don't think anyone would tolerate...
if this situation continues and NK does test a weapon there will be alot of problems for china...a nuclear test would more or less open the door for japan to remove the riders they have in their defense policy now that stop them from obtaining a nuclear option...
with the technology and industry japan possess they could produce a significant number of nuclear weapons in less than a years time... something that china absolutely does not want to see happen... a nuclear japan would be an extremely threatening force to china and NK...and of course you would then put SK right in the middle so they would want to pursue their nuclear option as well... creating an intense arms race in a very small geographic area...
this is the thing that has always bothered me about the entire situation... the US really does not have that much on the line in terms of security so long as NK doesn't sell off its weapons... but it seems as though china, NKs only ally could have a potential security nightmare on its hands yet they aren't strong arming KJI as much as they very well could be |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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The unstated and unstatable geopolitical goal of the U.S. corporatists is probably to maintain a disunited Korea, to prevent the possibility of both another powerful nation state, or even more threatening to the current global coporate powers, an economically united Asia.
So 90% -plus of the public news about U.S. positions regarding North Korea is about totally empty posturing, smoke screens unrelated to the underlying jockeying for position to maintain the current crippling standoff.
It's a fundamentally unstable and morally troubling situation, dangerous in the long run, but not in the ways U.S. pundits usually discuss it. |
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kevin, what would a united korea look like?
according to KJI it would be a communist state...and considering the economic conditions in NK right now a united state, either communist or capitalist would have a very tall order to fill in order to be an economic power house....
i hope you aren't proposing that the US lets NK invade the south to create a unified korea...if that is what the US is REALLY trying to stop, i don't necessarily see that as a problem
as for this 'united asian economic power' there is far too much bad blood that goes back into the distant past to ever get japan, china, korea, taiwan all on the same page economically in a system like the EU or something along those lines...the systems, people, culture, societies are just all way too different...
obviously the ONLY reason the US is actually even showing up at the table is for economic reasons...b/c NK isn't really our problem as much as it is asia's problem...but we have alot of economic interests that would be disturbed by any kind of conflict in asia so we are involved...
but to say that the US is just there trying to cause problems in a region that would otherwise be peachy is naive... |
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Richard Haut
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"naive" ?
the country that started mass-dumping the US dollar yesterday was South Korea.
the fantasy that the north will invade the south to create some retro-communist enclave is beyond even propaganda - it is just drivel.
(doing well with your friends in Asia this week - the Pakistanis gave orders for their troops to shoot at Americans trying to invade their country).
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| is there alot of talk of SK taking over and absorbing NK? i've never seen an article that has outlined the south's interest in taking over NK in the same way that NK wants to take over the south... |
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