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Donald
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 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: Will the real Churchill please stand up? |
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The media is blaring the stories of troops having died in Iraq. So what's missing in this media coverage? One word: perspective. Consider the facts:
Lets review again the American military deaths in previous wars:
* World War II - 408,306
* Korean War - 54,246
* Vietnam War - 58,219
* Operation Iraqi Freedom - 1,400+ as of yesterday
Bloody milestone? Hardly. Remember ... the same media voices who are screaming "milestone!" are the ones who, prior to our military action in Iraq, were saying that American casualties would exceed 10,000 within months after the beginning of the war. Every loss of life is regrettable. But the words of Winston Churchill in a speech before the British Parliament in 1939 ring true today:
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be even a worse fate. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish then to live as slaves."
Yes it is one of my favorite quotes of all time.
I don't believe anyone out there can confirm Ward Churchill being any relation to Winston Churchill..... Remember Ward Churchill? His picture should be on the cover of Daniel J. Flynn's book "Why the Left Hates America."  |
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Richard Haut
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I don't believe that Winston Spencer Churchill was a Cherokee.
He did however take part in the British Army's last cavalry charge with the 21st. Lancers at the battle of Omdurman in 1898.
However, the 21st. did not wear feathers.
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Donald
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RH, by now you might have heard the saga of Ward Churchill. This is the leftist America-hater that compared the victims of the 9/11 slaughter to Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi Holocaust murderer. In case you need a refresher, here's exactly what he said: "The most that can honestly be said of those involved on Sept. 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course. As for those in the World Trade Center, well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break."
He also went on to call the Islamic terrorists that attacked the World Trade Center, "combat teams," the victims "little Eichmanns" and "military targets." Obviously this terrorist-appeasing, left-wing sociopath does not belong on the faculty at a university supposedly teaching America's children.........but he is |
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Richard Haut
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Doctor Salam Ismael took aid to Fallujah last month.ÊThis is a report of his visit.
02/17/05 - - IT WAS the smell that first hit me, a smell that is difficult to describe, and one that will never leave me. It was the smell of death. Hundreds of corpses were decomposing in the houses, gardens and streets of Fallujah. Bodies were rotting where they had fallen-bodies of men, women and children, many half-eaten by wild dogs.Ê
A wave of hate had wiped out two-thirds of the town, destroying houses and mosques, schools and clinics. This was the terrible and frightening power of the US military assault.Ê
The accounts I heard over the next few days will live with me forever. You may think you know what happened in Fallujah. But the truth is worse than you could possibly have imagined.Ê
In Saqlawiya, one of the makeshift refugee camps that surround Fallujah, we found a 17 year old woman. "I am Hudda Fawzi Salam Issawi from the Jolan district of Fallujah," she told me. "Five of us, including a 55 year old neighbour, were trapped together in our house in Fallujah when the siege began.Ê
"On 9 November American marines came to our house. My father and the neighbour went to the door to meet them. We were not fighters. We thought we had nothing to fear. I ran into the kitchen to put on my veil, since men were going to enter our house and it would be wrong for them to see me with my hair uncovered. "This saved my life. As my father and neighbour approached the door, the Americans opened fire on them. They died instantly.Ê
"Me and my 13 year old brother hid in the kitchen behind the fridge. The soldiers came into the house and caught my older sister. They beat her. Then they shot her. But they did not see me. Soon they left, but not before they had destroyed our furniture and stolen the money from my father's pocket."Ê
Hudda told me how she comforted her dying sister by reading verses from the Koran. After four hours her sister died. For three days Hudda and her brother stayed with their murdered relatives. But they were thirsty and had only a few dates to eat. They feared the troops would return and decided to try to flee the city. But they were spotted by a US sniper.Ê
Hudda was shot in the leg, her brother ran but was shot in the back and died instantly. "I prepared myself to die," she told me. "But I was found by an American woman soldier, and she took me to hospital." She was eventually reunited with the surviving members of her family.Ê
I also found survivors of another family from the Jolan district. They told me that at the end of the second week of the siege the US troops swept through the Jolan. The Iraqi National Guard used loudspeakers to call on people to get out of the houses carrying white flags, bringing all their belongings with them. They were ordered to gather outside near the Jamah al-Furkan mosque in the centre of town.Ê
On 12 November Eyad Naji Latif and eight members of his family-one of them a six month old child-gathered their belongings and walked in single file, as instructed, to the mosque.Ê
When they reached the main road outside the mosque they heard a shout, but they could not understand what was being shouted. Eyad told me it could have been "now" in English. Then the firing began. US soldiers appeared on the roofs of surrounding houses and opened fire. Eyad's father was shot in the heart and his mother in the chest.Ê
They died instantly. Two of Eyad's brothers were also hit, one in the chest and one in the neck. Two of the women were hit, one in the hand and one in the leg. Then the snipers killed the wife of one of Eyad's brothers. When she fell her five year old son ran to her and stood over her body. They shot him dead too. Survivors made desperate appeals to the troops to stop firing.Ê
But Eyad told me that whenever one of them tried to raise a white flag they were shot. After several hours he tried to raise his arm with the flag. But they shot him in the arm. Finally he tried to raise his hand. So they shot him in the hand.Ê
The five survivors, including the six month old child, lay in the street for seven hours. Then four of them crawled to the nearest home to find shelter. The next morning the brother who was shot in the neck also managed to crawl to safety. They all stayed in the house for eight days, surviving on roots and one cup of water, which they saved for the baby. On the eighth day they were discovered by some members of the Iraqi National Guard and taken to hospital in Fallujah. They heard the Americans were arresting any young men, so the family fled the hospital and finally obtained treatment in a nearby town.Ê
They do not know in detail what happened to the other families who had gone to the mosque as instructed. But they told me the street was awash with blood. I had come to Fallujah in January as part of a humanitarian aid convoy funded by donations from Britain.Ê
Our small convoy of trucks and vans brought 15 tons of flour, eight tons of rice, medical aid and 900 pieces of clothing for the orphans. We knew that thousands of refugees were camped in terrible conditions in four camps on the outskirts of town.Ê
There we heard the accounts of families killed in their houses, of wounded people dragged into the streets and run over by tanks, of a container with the bodies of 481 civilians inside, of premeditated murder, looting and acts of savagery and cruelty that beggar belief.Ê
Through the ruins That is why we decided to go into Fallujah and investigate. When we entered the town I almost did not recognise the place where I had worked as a doctor in April 2004, during the first siege.Ê
We found people wandering like ghosts through the ruins. Some were looking for the bodies of relatives. Others were trying to recover some of their possessions from destroyed homes.Ê
Here and there, small knots of people were queuing for fuel or food. In one queue some of the survivors were fighting over a blanket.Ê
I remember being approached by an elderly woman, her eyes raw with tears. She grabbed my arm and told me how her house had been hit by a US bomb during an air raid. The ceiling collapsed on her 19 year old son, cutting off both his legs.Ê
She could not get help. She could not go into the streets because the Americans had posted snipers on the roofs and were killing anyone who ventured out, even at night.Ê
She tried her best to stop the bleeding, but it was to no avail. She stayed with him, her only son, until he died. He took four hours to die.Ê
Fallujah's main hospital was seized by the US troops in the first days of the siege. The only other clinic, the Hey Nazzal, was hit twice by US missiles. Its medicines and medical equipment were all destroyed. There were no ambulances-the two ambulances that came to help the wounded were shot up and destroyed by US troops.Ê
We visited houses in the Jolan district, a poor working class area in the north western part of the city that had been the centre of resistance during the April siege.Ê
This quarter seemed to have been singled out for punishment during the second siege. We moved from house to house, discovering families dead in their beds, or cut down in living rooms or in the kitchen. House after house had furniture smashed and possessions scattered.Ê
In some places we found bodies of fighters, dressed in black and with ammunition belts.Ê
But in most of the houses, the bodies were of civilians. Many were dressed in housecoats, many of the women were not veiled-meaning there were no men other than family members in the house. There were no weapons, no spent cartridges.Ê
It became clear to us that we were witnessing the aftermath of a massacre, the cold-blooded butchery of helpless and defenceless civilians.Ê
Nobody knows how many died. The occupation forces are now bulldozing the neighbourhoods to cover up their crime. What happened in Fallujah was an act of barbarity. The whole world must be told the truth.
Dr Salam Ismael, now 28 years old, was head of junior doctors in Baghdad before the invasion of Iraq. He was in Fallujah in April 2004 where he treated casualties of the assault on the city.
At the end of 2004 he came to Britain to collect funds for an aid convoy to Fallujah. Now the British government does not want Dr Salam Ismael?s testimony to be heard.Ê
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Donald
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I'll start out by repeating myself from last year RH, because apparently you have forgotten:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." .... that quote from John Stuart Mill.
It occurs to me that there are quite a lot of people in this country and across in your part of the world, who fit that description. Most of them here voted for JK back in November....and most certainly, Ward Churchill fits that description.
Yes RH, the faux Indian leftist repeated the same psychobabble about repressive American policies around the world and blamed the United States for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children during the UN sanctions on that country as you allude to. And here we thought Baghdad Bob had retired! Apparently not.
Saddam's mouthpiece has stated: "If someone were to ask me, 'Do you feel sorrow for the victims of 9-11,' of course I do. Let's begin with the children. Yes, they were innocent. And I mourn them. But they were not more innocent than those half-million Iraqi children." We have no word from Churchill as to whether or not he is mourning the deaths of the hundreds of thousands of men, women and children that were killed by Saddam Hussein.
The problem is not Ward Churchill, but a system where he somehow gets promoted and rises to be the chairman of the department at a major university |
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Richard Haut
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"war" ?
deliberately slaughtering women and children in an action carefully planned for the purpose is not war.
it is just barbarians who enjoy killing women and children.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem is people like Donald, who seem to say, if my USA is doing it, then it can't be wrong. |
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Donald
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Thats right KM, its Ward Churchill, the America-hating space cadet from the University of Colorado, that has been dumped from another speaking engagement, this time at the University of Oregon....remember? Thats in your neighborhood USA
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42850 |
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