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Kevin
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 Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: Rolling Stone: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? |
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Interesting read...
Rolling Stone: Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
"Like many Americans, I spent the evening of the 2004 election watching the returns on television and wondering how the exit polls, which predicted an overwhelming victory for John Kerry, had gotten it so wrong. By midnight, the official tallies showed a decisive lead for George Bush -- and the next day, lacking enough legal evidence to contest the results, Kerry conceded. Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in ''tinfoil hats,'' while the national media, with few exceptions, did little to question the validity of the election. The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ''conspiracy theories,''(1) and The New York Times declared that ''there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.''(2)
"But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots -- or received them too late to vote(4) -- after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5) A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7) In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,( 8 ) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment -- roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)
"The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.(11)"
continues online, in detail with extensive references...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/1 |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Amazing to see that archi-blobs generate great interest, but the fact that Mr. President may not be the President at all is not of much concern to many people.
American architecture has a pressing problem - its Government (its "alleged" Government) put out a public notice for the design of nearly four hundred million dollars worth of Guantanamo-style concentration camps within the US itself. No outrage, no concern that I heard - nothing. The contract went to KBR, as one would expect. No outrage, no concern that I heard - nothing.
What fascinates me in this is that in America - as has happened to an alarming extent in Britain, people do not even seem to be concerned.
If there was a question over one part of the election - the question of one bit of local fiddling, OK - it happens; it shouldn't happen. But this looks like the planned seizure of an election with the inevitable conclusion that it may indeed have happened in 2000 as well...... and then came 9.11.
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csintexas
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Well, my thinking on the matter is that the democrates would dearly love to pin anything they can on the republicans. If they find something they can take to court I think that they would because it would be in their best interest.
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Richard Haut
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Chris
I do not pretend to understand the workings of your elections, and if this was a matter of some minor inconsistencies, I would agree with you that it was one party against another.
However these reports are far too serious and widespread (and were in 2000) to be just this party or that party. Also if one looks at the behaviour of the Bush administration, I do not believe that it has been the normal behaviour of an elected government (any elected government), let alone the Republicans, any more than Blair represents the British Labour Party.
As for taking these matters to court, there comes a point at which the charges are so serious that it is not so simple.
If there was an over-ambitious politican backed-up by sleazy lawyers, then yes the courts could handle it with enough evidence. It is probable that this is worse. Far, far worse.
Over-ambitious politicians do not get concentration camps ready for their own people - on the contrary, they try to keep the people happy.
There is a difference between a few 'rotten apples' and a diseased orchard.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: on the side of Disfunctional American System... |
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First off, do I have to place a vote on the side of disfunctional orchard, disfunctional industry, disfunctional infrastructure?
Do we have checks and balances anymore? We are as close to a dictatorship, or some form of corporatized autocracy, as I can ever remember... and I can't remember EVER this country being in this shape, EVER! Please educate me when it was worse.
But let me add one note from even further back than the 2000 election, when I now believe the disfunction machine actively sabotaged the presidency of the seated elected official, Bill Clinton.
I now believe the coup activities started in 1996, probably before. The whole Ken Starr thing...all to undermine our sitting President. And it didn't stop with Bush getting elected...I don't know if there is a term for not just "selecting" your own party for selection, but then crippling the opposition while they are in the minority. An "inside, reverse, Palace coup"?
An ugly rumor was on the streets of New York, crazy cabdriver illogic call it... that the "bomb" that OBL threw before the 2004 election was the videotape threatening more destruction in the US, undermining Kerry at the last minute, and consequently throwing 2-4% towards Bush. The rumor is, Kerry was not the international bumbling hate figure that Bush was, and OBL had decided the way to improve his pathetic lot in world opinion, was to help Bush get re-elected. Did it work?
I am not making this up! I swear it!
Where are we today? OBL, Zawahiri, Al-Zarqawi, Saddam...all still alive! Contrast that with perceptions of the benevolence of America? uhhhhh....not too good.
But again, God blessed me with ignorance, and what the hell do I know? Don't listen to me. Say some prayers.
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Richard Haut
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Ken Starr seen from a distance was unbelievable. He looked like one of Stalin's prosecutors.
They have been undoing the checks and balances for some time (same in Britain).
Yes, prayers are just about the only answer.
Rice has said that stopping the so-called Iran nuclear programme will not - NOT - keep Iran safe from an American attack.
The latest Marine massacre story: the Pentagon's "investigation" and denial have been rejected by the Iraqis and the Iraqi Prime Minister is reportedly furious.
What has probably not been reported - or been underreported in the US is that the US Government has been forced to put in a four hundred million dollar order for the new Afghan Army for Russian weapons and ammunition. American products are not wanted. Like US politicians, diplomats, lawyers, and generals, they are not seen as reliable.
How has this happened to America ? How is it possible ? I do not know. I saw it happen in Britain and could not fathom what was going on. It began in the City of London - the financial centre - and was rightly called the "culture of corruption".
If those elections were stolen, then 9.11 itself becomes suspect. Bush after all has been Osama's best possible recruiter. But then the families have been friends and trading partners for years.
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